The 800 Mindset: NPTE Prep, Active Recall & Becoming a Better Clinician

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Hello everyone.

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There is passing the boards and then

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there's walking into the boards wanting to

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leave with no doubt.

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Today's guest had a number in mind,

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eight hundred.

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And not because every future clinician

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needs a perfect score,

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not because a number defines whether

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you'll become a great PT or a PTA,

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but because the way that you prepare when

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you're aiming for mastery can change the

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way that you learn and maybe even the

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way that you practice.

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Our guest today is only twenty one years

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old,

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is already working as a physical therapist

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assistant across outpatient,

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inpatient and acute care settings.

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And at the same time,

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he's a first year PT student at the

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same time.

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All of this.

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I don't know how you're doing it.

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So, yes,

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we're going to have to talk about how

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in the world that, you know,

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you balance being a clinician and a full

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time student at the same time.

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We're also going to dig into active recall

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practice exams,

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your eighty twenty rule of board

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preparation,

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work life study balance and the question

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that some PTAs eventually ask themselves,

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which is, do I go back for DPT?

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And underneath all of that is another

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story.

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He is a first generation college student

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who has thought intentionally about the

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return on his education and is now

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building the next stage of his career

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while already treating patients.

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He has a PTA plus an SPT.

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All the way from Arkansas,

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this is Dillinger Carr.

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Welcome to the show, Dillinger.

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Hi, hey.

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So now let's go ahead and just get

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right into this conversation.

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Dillinger, eight hundred.

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Yes, ma'am.

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So well done.

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Well done.

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I think it's interesting the way,

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you know, it got put out there.

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So my main to start, I guess,

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at the

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course to pass it.

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And then my I've had have and do

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still have because I'm going back to the

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same school still work with those

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professors,

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but had amazing instructors and

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professors.

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And they were like, Listen, like,

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you could, you know,

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based off your test scores,

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make an eight hundred.

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And you know, and I was like, Okay,

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yeah, I'll, I'll see what I can do.

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And so, you know,

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after my spring semester PTA school,

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looking at boards in July, I was like,

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Okay, like,

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let's see what a

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what I can do to shape myself up

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to get an eight hundred.

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And so it took a lot of,

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you know,

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we'll get to more of it later,

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but looking at my study habits and stuff

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like that and seeing what I needed to

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do to shape up to that.

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So taking a lot of practice exams,

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going through flashcards, all this stuff.

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Anyways, and then after doing that,

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it wasn't until much later that the story

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got published.

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So I was in the clinic.

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I got into the clinic one day and

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some patients were like,

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I saw you on my Facebook feed.

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I was like, oh boy, what's going on?

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And so it was really cool having that

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come out.

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We'll get to it later more again,

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but I think everyone's goal as a PTA

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or PT student when passing the board

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should be passing,

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but I think it's easier than some people

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think to get an .

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I don't think it's this impossible feat,

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if that makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's break this down a little bit.

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So initially, yeah, pass the boards,

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right?

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Like that's the goal of everybody, right?

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And really as an educator,

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that's our goal too for our students.

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Like our goal is that you are going

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to be successful.

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That's why we spend so much time in

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our labs and in our classrooms and through

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clinical experiences.

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Like nobody wants to see students get all

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the way through and then not be

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successful.

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And that's why there are such strict

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guidelines

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guidelines and grading schemes and all of

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that.

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PTA educators and PT educators,

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we want our students to be successful.

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There's nobody that's out there that's

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trying to not make students successful in

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the end with all of this.

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And your program has to speak to that

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too.

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So we are responsible as programs to

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release our data to the public.

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We're responsible to release our data to

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our accrediting body.

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So there's nothing good that comes from it

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if students are successful.

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So yes, the main goal, be successful,

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pass the NPTE.

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So it does sound like eventually, though,

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you started to realize that that eight

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hundred could be a possibility that

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passing.

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wasn't something that you could do,

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but just passing and doing a very good

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job getting the highest achievable score

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in the NPTE became a reality.

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Yeah.

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And my I was very fortunate to my

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professors have actually done research on,

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you know, NPTE prep and stuff like that.

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And what exactly what factors really

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contribute to being successful in the long

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run?

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And so having that in my

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having that professor on my team really

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helped because she was like,

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you're making these scores now on your

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Pete's and your score builders exams,

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all this stuff,

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you really have a good chance.

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And so that was,

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I think a huge part of anything,

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you know, not just this,

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but it's having people on your team.

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Like, yeah, you can do it.

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This sounds impossible.

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People rarely ever do it,

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but you really have a great shot and

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we'll give you the tools to do it.

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And so that's just another,

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I'm going to probably shout out the PTA

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program and the PT program at A-State a

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bunch, but they're, I mean,

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excellent instructors and people.

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That's okay.

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You can go ahead and sing their praises

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from this platform.

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I'm totally okay with that.

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I know that, you know, listen,

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PTA school is hard.

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I don't think, I mean,

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I know for a fact that it doesn't

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get near as much credit as what students

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really deserve.

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And honestly, faculty too.

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I mean,

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when you look at the faculty members who

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teach in PTA programs, I mean,

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especially in like your community colleges

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who maybe don't have the same,

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Structures, I guess,

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is maybe a university like it's a lot

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to get done in a two year period,

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like your faculty are working very hard.

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So, no, I absolutely agree.

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You should you should shout out to them.

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And that's great that they recognize that.

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And I think it's important that you also

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mentioned that they were in your corner.

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And I think that that's important for any

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student,

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even if they're not trying to like shoot

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for that eight hundred.

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Right.

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You know,

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having conversations with students,

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whether you're a clinical instructor or

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whether you are a faculty member or

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whether you are somebody else outside of

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the realm,

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having those discussions with students to

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help them believe that all of this is

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possible is

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is very vital to that student.

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You've got to be kind of speaking life

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into that,

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that study process and that study program.

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And yes, you can do it.

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Yes, you have the capability.

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Yes, you have the tools to be successful.

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We just got to implement it, right?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And to speak more of of the professors,

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my entire cohort passed was one percent

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pass rate across the board.

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So it was yeah, it was great.

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Great.

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And going back to, you know,

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eight hundred is more achievable than most

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people think.

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I mean, it's not a perfect score.

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You know, it is on the scale,

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whatever the uses, however that works.

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It is an eight hundred,

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but it is not.

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I got all the items correct.

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You know,

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it's it's I think I've heard the number

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like ninety three percent of the answers

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were answered correctly,

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which is still great.

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That's still good.

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Yeah, it's just kind of an interesting

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mystique, that's this perfect,

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you got all these questions, right,

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all this stuff.

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But, but yeah,

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and that's what's why I said,

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that's something that a lot of students

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should aim for, because be having the,

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you know,

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the study regimen that leads up to getting

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that score really helps in the program,

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or not the program in the clinic,

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I should say.

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Yeah, there is a definite

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divide between textbook and clinical based

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knowledge like there's there's two

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different things but if you know your

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anatomy your phys your your pathology all

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this stuff really well it makes it a

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lot easier to go into the clinic and

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practice um because not like every you

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know your patient's not going to ask you

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quiz questions but they're gonna they're

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gonna have um

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different signs, different symptoms,

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or you'll look at their chart and you'll

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see their CBC.

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And you can make a better judgment on

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that if you have that good foundation.

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And so that was one of my motivations

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as well.

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Not only, okay,

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I can maybe do this eight hundred thing,

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but also I want to be a great

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clinician.

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I want to have

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the knowledge to help my patients out.

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And I, it almost feels at a point,

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you know, if you,

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if I don't know something,

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I'm kind of doing them a disservice.

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I could have studied harder,

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could have learned more.

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And so that's,

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that's another thing that goes into,

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into that.

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Why, um, that should be,

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of course you aim high and then you

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get the six hundred.

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It's easy, right?

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You get the aim for the eight hundred,

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then you should be just fine on the

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board.

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Um, passing, passing wise.

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Yeah.

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I like that you made that clarification

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about the eight hundred.

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I do sometimes see that,

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that it's a perfect score.

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And I, of course,

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know that that's not it.

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It doesn't reflect a perfect score because

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there's well, number one,

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there's no way to know exactly how many

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you got right or wrong or anything like

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that.

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But

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It is the highest achieving score.

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Right.

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So that's still very commendable.

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And and it can have like students do

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this like, yeah,

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you and I are talking today,

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but there are multiple students who

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achieve an eight hundred, you know,

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in a year.

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So, yes, it can be done.

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And I think that knowing that eight

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hundred isn't perfect should make people

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feel better.

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Right.

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You know, because hopefully, you know,

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thinking like, oh, my gosh,

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they didn't miss even one single question

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on that.

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Like that's you know,

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that's that's asking a lot from anybody to

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put themselves on that kind of a standard.

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But yeah,

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this is the highest achieving score that

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you can get on the NPT.

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And it's a bit of a misnomer,

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but I just wanted to clarify that because,

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again,

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that does

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take away from some of like the,

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like there's no way I can get every

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single question right.

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We don't have to.

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No, exactly.

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Yeah.

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We're all human, right?

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Exactly.

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And many of the questions that you take

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on the NPTE are practice questions,

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and there's no way for you to know

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that either.

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So some of the questions that you took

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are literally questions that they are

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trialing to see if they're going to put

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them on a future NPTE, right?

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So there's no way that you as a

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student would know which ones are which.

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Those ones are like test, test questions.

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and may never be used again or might

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be used again.

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So there's, yeah,

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there's like four to you that you,

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that don't even count that exactly.

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So, yeah.

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Okay.

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So if I'm a PTA and I'm listening,

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which I am a PTA, but I'm not,

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I don't have to take my boards again.

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Thank goodness.

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That's done and over with.

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Thank goodness.

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I mean, honestly, like,

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I'd have to call you up and have

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you tutor me because it's been so long.

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It's funny because like, I don't, I don't,

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you know, yeah, I'm in PTA education,

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but I'm like,

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This has changed so much.

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My book was like,

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my study book was like this,

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like even half of this.

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It's like that then, you know?

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Really?

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When I graduated.

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Do you have yours close by?

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I wish I still had mine.

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I really do.

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I don't have the PTA one,

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but the PTA,

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PT one are about the same.

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Yep.

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This was what a friend gave to me.

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Yeah, mine was about...

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a quarter of that maybe but but that

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that was a thousand years ago too so

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um but yeah and i mean like even

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when i graduated which was a long time

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ago i'm totally dating myself here but in

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two thousand and four having a study book

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was something that you did extra like it

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wasn't that's that wasn't the norm you

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know students weren't just given a study

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book or anything like that and now

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A lot of this is integrated into PT

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and PTA programs.

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I don't know that every PT and PTA

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program doesn't,

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but I know a lot of them do

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tie in some kind of a study resource

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or a study book or a study course

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into their curriculum just to make sure

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that students have as much prep for the

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NPT as possible.

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Yes.

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And I'm glad we kind of got on

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that point because that would be a good

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segue into the tools.

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Yeah.

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You mentioned if you're a PTA student,

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maybe.

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Yeah.

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And I'm going to get ready to take

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my boards, like build me a playbook.

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Like, where do I start?

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Because I mean, this looks so different.

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So the one that we use that my

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program used was score builders.

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And, you know,

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I have no affiliation either does our

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program.

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We have no affiliation with them,

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but I think it's important if you are

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a student and your program gives you a

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book, it can be score builders, therapy,

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ed,

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whatever you use that you're not just

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reading that book.

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like you're not just going through and,

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okay,

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today I'm going to read this and this

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and this,

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and then that's all you're doing.

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That's not, that's not efficient at all.

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You know,

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if we're talking about our eighty twenty,

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right, Pareto's principle,

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it's eighty percent of the outcomes come

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from twenty percent of our inputs.

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So in this case,

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eighty percent of our correct answers of

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our new learning that's occurring is not

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coming from the textbook.

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It's coming from

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our flashcards, our practice exams.

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And so to walk someone through what I

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would do if I had this big old

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book is, again, not read through it,

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but to start with practice exams.

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I'd go through.

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I did tons of practice exams.

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That was the main thing I used,

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not just through ScoreBuilders, but,

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again, through other companies.

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I would go through.

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If I had a question right that was

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on the back burner,

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I would go through the ones that I

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got wrong first, go through,

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Why did I get it wrong?

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What's the rationale?

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And then go through every answer choice

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and see what would have made this one

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correct or this one correct.

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How could the question have been worded

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differently?

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And so that, I would then go.

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I use a program called RimNote.

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It's a free program.

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Make some flashcards based on that.

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And from one question, you can get four,

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five,

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six different flashcards just based off of

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different points.

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Like, I didn't know that.

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I didn't know that.

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So you're picking up all these different

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things.

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And then,

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set time aside and you look at those

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flashcards.

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And you can gather your context and the

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answers from the book,

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but I am not just going through and

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reading page to page.

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I never read the entire book front to

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back.

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It wasn't anything like that.

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It was much more, I guess,

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strategic in that way.

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And then once you go through your practice

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exams and stuff like that,

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and you're going through,

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you're figuring out why you got questions

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wrong.

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You're not only building a good foundation

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of knowledge because you know,

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you want that, but on the board,

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you're not going to be able to answer

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every single question, right?

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Just based off of this.

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Oh yeah, I know that, you know,

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I know this and this and this,

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you won't be able to do that because

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there's so much content.

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So then you start building, um,

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test taking strategies.

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Like how do I know, you know,

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what the, what do they call it?

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It's like the question that might be

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right, but it's like a total like.

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I know what you're talking about,

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but I can't think of what.

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Because it's usually two answer choices.

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It's like between two.

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Like two of them are totally like random

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and weird and then two of them.

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So it narrows down your answer choices and

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it gives you a better chance at getting

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the answer correct.

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improves your odds, if that makes sense.

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Because again, going back,

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you can't know everything on the PT.

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So to a point,

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you have to improve your ability to test

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take.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think, you know,

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sometimes students feel like we were

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trying to trick them.

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And that's not the case.

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But it's trying to boil down, like,

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what is the rightest answer?

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What is the most appropriate?

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So when you see a question that has

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those two answers, that you're like,

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they're both right.

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But which one is the most appropriate for

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that particular?

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So you do have to kind of narrow

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it down.

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And I can't think of what you're talking

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about.

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I know what you're talking about,

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but I can't think of what it's called.

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I'm looking through.

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It's funny you bring up, you know,

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Most appropriate?

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But instructors trying to trick students

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because we had someone in our cohort who

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on every single exam, you know,

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MSK instructor, coolest guy ever.

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And he'd usually give you a very

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straightforward question,

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but it would have some sort of twist.

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Yeah.

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Some sort of thing that would throw you

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off.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And every time this, this, this other guy,

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the student would get,

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we'd get out of the test taking room

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or whatever.

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And he'd be like,

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he tried to trick me,

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but I saw it.

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And then he ended up getting that one

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wrong.

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Cause it was totally just a

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straightforward question.

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One answer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's so funny how we can get in

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our heads.

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We really can just get in our heads

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about this stuff.

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I always tell students whenever I'm giving

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any kind of test quiz or whatever,

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and I always say, listen,

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I'm not trying to trick you.

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I am not smart enough.

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to trick you like,

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I want the right answer as much as

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you want.

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Because guess what,

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I have to grade all of it.

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So like, I'm certainly not trying to like,

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throw anybody for some kind of a loop.

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But yeah, typically,

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you just kind of have to go for

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like, what makes the most sense?

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Like what is straightforward answer?

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Yeah.

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And the boards?

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I mean, they are trying to,

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they obviously want people

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they're taking the exam to be good

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clinicians, but it's more,

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it's more about safety and not necessarily

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how much you just know about everything.

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Um,

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cause the board is a safety exam more

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so than it is a, um, you know,

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if you're taking your OCS, like how,

00:19:48.634 --> 00:19:50.335
how much do you know about the brachial

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plexus and all this other stuff?

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So that's another thing to think about.

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The board wants safety and it wants to

00:19:57.717 --> 00:19:58.356
protect the public.

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It's not talking about he's very niche.

00:20:01.606 --> 00:20:02.028
subjects.

00:20:02.708 --> 00:20:04.710
I've opened up the book and it's not,

00:20:05.211 --> 00:20:07.333
I can't think of the one popping in

00:20:07.373 --> 00:20:07.653
my head,

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but if you see like come to us

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by the end, huh?

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Yeah.

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If you're a student and you see just

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a completely absurd option or you see

00:20:15.842 --> 00:20:17.064
similar options, that's how you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just rule it out.

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Just rule it out.

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So what other things did you do?

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So you've talked about your eighty twenty

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rule.

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You've talked about your study,

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your the way you studied and you took

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lots and lots of practice exams.

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What about things like active recall?

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And are there any other kind of like

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methods that you kind of embedded into

00:20:40.190 --> 00:20:42.412
your study habits?

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Yeah.

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So the active recall came in.

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you know,

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there's also another thing I'm trying to

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think of the concept, but anyways,

00:20:52.246 --> 00:20:53.866
the foundation starts with your ability to

00:20:53.946 --> 00:20:57.347
recall just pure definitions.

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What, what does this mean?

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And so that came into play with going

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back through incorrect answer choices.

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So I, again,

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going back to this program called rim

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note,

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it's just a program to make flashcards and

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all this stuff.

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So when I had my incorrect answer,

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I'd go through and let's say,

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The reason I got it wrong was I

00:21:17.297 --> 00:21:20.118
didn't know the norm for hemoglobin or

00:21:20.138 --> 00:21:20.439
whatever.

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And so I'd go through,

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and that is something that requires more

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active recall.

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It requires me just trying to remember a

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number, a concept, right?

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And so that's how that would be used.

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So I wouldn't just use it, you know,

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just active recall or just test taking it.

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or practice test,

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that's how they come together,

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is you get your active recall,

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your flashcards to lay the foundation and

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keep going.

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You can get quite a ways with just

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flashcards,

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but then this other top of the pyramid

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is practice exams and applying that

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information in the context of a patient

00:22:01.652 --> 00:22:03.313
scenario or a test question.

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Yeah, love it.

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You know,

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I always try to encourage students also,

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and this is obviously way before they take

00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:11.961
their NPTE,

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but when you walk out of class for

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the day, sit down, take five,

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ten minutes and try to recall as much

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as you can from class.

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Like,

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What did I learn?

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What concepts did we go over?

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What things made sense?

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What things didn't make sense?

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And just kind of jot it down and

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then come back and fill it out later.

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That can also be a technique for kind

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of recalling what you learned in class.

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Because we know from that learning pyramid

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Things that are verbally said to you,

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you're only going to remember about ten

00:22:43.616 --> 00:22:44.758
percent of that, right?

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You know,

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so you have to have that combination of

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looking at the material,

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hearing the material,

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applying the material.

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All of those things combined is what helps

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solidify that content and that

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information.

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And that's why it's so important for

00:23:02.429 --> 00:23:03.910
students to be able to have access to

00:23:04.049 --> 00:23:05.671
all of those different materials.

00:23:05.907 --> 00:23:08.348
parts of it and it makes it difficult

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sometimes if all you ever do is hear

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it or if all you ever do is

00:23:12.250 --> 00:23:14.031
read it and you don't have all of

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those components to make it work in your

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benefit.

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Which is also why you said you didn't

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sit down and just start reading the score

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builders book from front to back.

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Nobody's going to do that.

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But if you know what concept you need

00:23:27.858 --> 00:23:28.378
to review,

00:23:29.038 --> 00:23:31.221
and you can do the recall from class,

00:23:31.241 --> 00:23:32.343
you're like, okay, on this topic,

00:23:32.403 --> 00:23:34.385
I remember this, this, and this,

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and this one I'm not real sure of,

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then I can go back and I can

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reference and kind of plug in and connect

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the dots from there if you need to.

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And honestly,

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I don't think any of those study books

00:23:45.218 --> 00:23:47.300
are intended to be read from front to

00:23:47.320 --> 00:23:47.560
back.

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And there's many of them that are now

00:23:51.986 --> 00:23:57.029
very visual and less reading.

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And we've already mentioned that neither

00:23:59.772 --> 00:24:00.594
one of us are like,

00:24:01.951 --> 00:24:03.952
We were not receiving any kind of benefit

00:24:03.992 --> 00:24:05.613
from any study tool by the way.

00:24:05.673 --> 00:24:06.653
So like, but there's,

00:24:07.433 --> 00:24:09.413
there's many products out there now,

00:24:09.794 --> 00:24:11.654
and there's some that are more visual in

00:24:11.674 --> 00:24:14.255
the books that have very, you know,

00:24:14.476 --> 00:24:17.516
good colors and very good visual graphics

00:24:17.556 --> 00:24:18.176
and things like that,

00:24:18.217 --> 00:24:21.678
but have very few words compared to your

00:24:21.718 --> 00:24:23.357
score builders and your therapy ed who are

00:24:23.377 --> 00:24:24.718
very thick on words.

00:24:25.939 --> 00:24:28.679
That doesn't necessarily mean that one's

00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:30.420
superior to the other.

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there's a benefit to potentially having

00:24:33.439 --> 00:24:34.819
both or having access to both.

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So that's all I'm going to say about

00:24:36.441 --> 00:24:36.641
that.

00:24:36.760 --> 00:24:37.682
I think it's hard for,

00:24:38.082 --> 00:24:39.962
I think it's hard for PT and PTA

00:24:40.002 --> 00:24:40.942
programs to say, Oh,

00:24:41.002 --> 00:24:42.804
this is the one and only product that

00:24:42.824 --> 00:24:43.664
you should be using.

00:24:44.325 --> 00:24:46.286
Um, because everybody learns different.

00:24:46.326 --> 00:24:47.727
Everybody's brains different, right?

00:24:48.788 --> 00:24:49.147
Exactly.

00:24:49.647 --> 00:24:53.029
And I, I think there is, you know,

00:24:53.049 --> 00:24:54.431
maybe going into the types of learners,

00:24:54.471 --> 00:24:56.711
there is benefit in finding out what you

00:24:56.751 --> 00:24:57.553
learn from best,

00:24:57.873 --> 00:24:59.913
but most people it's visual.

00:25:01.111 --> 00:25:02.311
If you think about the amount of real

00:25:02.352 --> 00:25:05.633
estate and stuff in our brain and just

00:25:05.952 --> 00:25:09.154
that the body contributes to vision and

00:25:09.174 --> 00:25:10.695
the process that goes into that, I mean,

00:25:11.175 --> 00:25:12.276
we are very visual creatures.

00:25:12.757 --> 00:25:15.137
And so I think there are people that

00:25:15.157 --> 00:25:17.298
benefit from more tactile, hands-on,

00:25:17.318 --> 00:25:20.220
of course, psychomotorical stuff.

00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:21.400
That's great.

00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:23.300
And auditory and stuff like that.

00:25:23.381 --> 00:25:26.303
But visual, seeing the concept,

00:25:26.403 --> 00:25:27.442
seeing the muscle,

00:25:27.542 --> 00:25:28.683
how it originates and inserts,

00:25:28.703 --> 00:25:29.023
seeing

00:25:29.921 --> 00:25:32.682
the technique or whatever is very

00:25:32.741 --> 00:25:33.162
valuable.

00:25:33.362 --> 00:25:33.923
So yeah.

00:25:34.123 --> 00:25:36.183
And what I would do usually after class,

00:25:36.943 --> 00:25:38.805
I would spend a little bit of time

00:25:38.825 --> 00:25:40.345
in the morning before class prepping.

00:25:40.724 --> 00:25:42.625
So I'm not just walking into the lecture

00:25:42.705 --> 00:25:43.646
completely blind.

00:25:45.166 --> 00:25:45.606
Cause if,

00:25:45.906 --> 00:25:47.567
if you're in class and they're presenting

00:25:47.647 --> 00:25:51.049
over something completely new and that's

00:25:51.069 --> 00:25:52.009
the first time you're hearing it,

00:25:52.130 --> 00:25:53.089
you're not going to be able to answer

00:25:53.170 --> 00:25:55.951
any questions or,

00:25:55.971 --> 00:25:57.551
or pose any questions that are meaningful

00:25:57.852 --> 00:25:58.332
in the lecture.

00:25:58.913 --> 00:25:59.692
And so then after that,

00:26:00.212 --> 00:26:02.233
spend an hour after class just reviewing.

00:26:03.074 --> 00:26:05.335
And then usually I could kind of just

00:26:05.355 --> 00:26:06.154
do a slow burn.

00:26:06.214 --> 00:26:07.996
I didn't have to, you know,

00:26:08.036 --> 00:26:09.777
the day before the exam, just cram, cram,

00:26:09.797 --> 00:26:10.176
cram.

00:26:11.156 --> 00:26:13.018
I was very, I was very relaxed.

00:26:13.518 --> 00:26:16.338
So it was never a matter of dumping

00:26:16.358 --> 00:26:17.720
a whole bunch of time before the exam.

00:26:17.859 --> 00:26:21.161
I just was able to do incremental amounts

00:26:21.201 --> 00:26:21.500
of time.

00:26:21.721 --> 00:26:22.540
And that's something that I would,

00:26:22.601 --> 00:26:23.442
if you have the time,

00:26:25.481 --> 00:26:26.782
if you're a PTA student and you're taking

00:26:26.803 --> 00:26:28.824
this in October, you've got,

00:26:29.263 --> 00:26:29.763
you've got time.

00:26:30.665 --> 00:26:32.928
so i would start again with a slow

00:26:32.948 --> 00:26:36.029
burn and not this this cram cram you

00:26:36.049 --> 00:26:37.692
know a couple weeks before the the board

00:26:37.731 --> 00:26:39.673
or anything like that because it it also

00:26:39.712 --> 00:26:42.875
gives you going into forgetting curves you

00:26:42.895 --> 00:26:43.816
know if we want to get into that

00:26:43.895 --> 00:26:47.259
it's your brain forgets and it will it'll

00:26:47.298 --> 00:26:49.240
peak once you review the concept and then

00:26:49.300 --> 00:26:51.382
it will drop off and so we've got

00:26:51.422 --> 00:26:55.224
to as students let that drop off at

00:26:55.265 --> 00:26:56.625
a certain point and then let it come

00:26:56.645 --> 00:26:58.768
back then each time you read the concept

00:26:59.365 --> 00:27:01.307
that drop off becomes way less steep.

00:27:01.326 --> 00:27:03.268
And then it starts to kind of flatten

00:27:03.327 --> 00:27:04.627
out to where, of course,

00:27:04.768 --> 00:27:06.489
if you don't review the concept from five

00:27:06.528 --> 00:27:06.989
years from now,

00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:08.990
and it's something about like passive

00:27:09.009 --> 00:27:09.990
insufficiency, you're going to forget.

00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:10.911
You're going to forget.

00:27:11.050 --> 00:27:11.632
Yeah.

00:27:11.872 --> 00:27:12.451
Yeah.

00:27:12.471 --> 00:27:13.372
But if, if you,

00:27:13.471 --> 00:27:15.653
if it's something like you're prepping for

00:27:15.692 --> 00:27:17.294
the board and you're reviewing these

00:27:17.314 --> 00:27:18.734
concepts and you're, you're getting,

00:27:18.755 --> 00:27:20.315
you're forgetting curves to flatten out a

00:27:20.335 --> 00:27:20.836
little bit better.

00:27:21.935 --> 00:27:22.655
That helps a bunch.

00:27:22.675 --> 00:27:25.577
But if you're just cramming, there's,

00:27:25.678 --> 00:27:27.198
there's no real strategy to it.

00:27:27.239 --> 00:27:28.298
Your curves are going to, it's,

00:27:29.166 --> 00:27:30.248
you know,

00:27:30.307 --> 00:27:32.269
it's going to be way less efficient.

00:27:32.409 --> 00:27:33.189
Yeah, definitely.

00:27:34.349 --> 00:27:34.769
And again,

00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:36.951
I feel like there's so many things that

00:27:36.971 --> 00:27:38.491
we could touch on with this topic,

00:27:38.531 --> 00:27:40.153
but have you read the book Learning That

00:27:40.192 --> 00:27:45.455
Last by Thomas Allemander?

00:27:45.816 --> 00:27:46.836
I might be saying that wrong.

00:27:46.916 --> 00:27:47.277
Thomas,

00:27:47.336 --> 00:27:49.817
forgive me if you're out there listening,

00:27:49.837 --> 00:27:50.699
which he's probably not,

00:27:50.739 --> 00:27:52.420
but he wrote a book.

00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.020
He's a PT and he teaches in a

00:27:55.381 --> 00:27:56.142
PT program,

00:27:56.162 --> 00:27:57.542
wrote a book called Learning That Last.

00:27:57.702 --> 00:27:57.803
And

00:27:58.343 --> 00:28:00.005
A lot of the concepts that you're talking

00:28:00.025 --> 00:28:00.705
about on here,

00:28:00.726 --> 00:28:02.067
which you probably didn't even know if

00:28:02.087 --> 00:28:03.148
you've never read his book,

00:28:03.588 --> 00:28:05.711
he specifically addresses a lot of these

00:28:05.751 --> 00:28:06.211
concepts.

00:28:06.251 --> 00:28:09.736
So I recommend that book to all students.

00:28:10.136 --> 00:28:10.897
It's not big.

00:28:11.057 --> 00:28:12.038
It's super thin.

00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:13.540
You could read it in...

00:28:14.862 --> 00:28:16.022
If you really wanted to,

00:28:16.083 --> 00:28:18.003
you could get it done in an hour

00:28:18.105 --> 00:28:18.365
or two.

00:28:18.384 --> 00:28:19.625
Like it's a really small book,

00:28:20.086 --> 00:28:22.768
but it addresses these concepts that are

00:28:22.928 --> 00:28:23.508
very, very,

00:28:23.528 --> 00:28:24.808
these study concepts that are very,

00:28:24.848 --> 00:28:28.132
very applicable to allied health studying,

00:28:28.571 --> 00:28:30.393
because you're going to study different in

00:28:30.432 --> 00:28:32.375
a program like this and a PT and

00:28:32.394 --> 00:28:33.315
a PTA program,

00:28:33.694 --> 00:28:35.696
then you're going to study if you are

00:28:35.876 --> 00:28:38.018
getting your degree in English, right?

00:28:38.038 --> 00:28:38.318
You know,

00:28:38.358 --> 00:28:40.779
like these are very different kind of

00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:41.121
like,

00:28:41.881 --> 00:28:43.922
ways of learning that you would have to

00:28:44.382 --> 00:28:46.644
build a specific study repertoire.

00:28:47.403 --> 00:28:48.744
So if anybody's out there,

00:28:49.005 --> 00:28:50.465
I don't get anything from his book.

00:28:50.865 --> 00:28:52.807
I just find it to be an extremely

00:28:52.846 --> 00:28:53.467
helpful book.

00:28:54.007 --> 00:28:57.009
And so I highly recommend it to anybody

00:28:57.048 --> 00:28:57.429
listening.

00:28:57.588 --> 00:28:58.910
And it's so weird that because like,

00:28:58.950 --> 00:28:59.750
as you're talking, I'm like,

00:28:59.890 --> 00:29:01.191
all of these concepts are like some of

00:29:01.211 --> 00:29:02.332
the things that he talks about.

00:29:02.352 --> 00:29:07.013
So you're like his protege.

00:29:07.054 --> 00:29:08.714
The one that I read,

00:29:08.894 --> 00:29:10.135
the learning book I read,

00:29:10.155 --> 00:29:10.776
this was back

00:29:12.405 --> 00:29:14.048
Um,

00:29:14.269 --> 00:29:15.230
it would have been the year that I

00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:16.332
was going into the PTA program.

00:29:16.352 --> 00:29:19.196
It's called making it stick by C Brown.

00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:21.961
That's my learning Bible.

00:29:22.020 --> 00:29:23.503
That's where I referenced a lot of that

00:29:23.544 --> 00:29:24.365
stuff.

00:29:24.625 --> 00:29:24.826
Um,

00:29:25.538 --> 00:29:27.499
But I'll have to, learning that lasts.

00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:28.259
Learning that lasts.

00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:29.000
Yeah, check it out.

00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:29.340
I mean,

00:29:29.881 --> 00:29:31.402
you have a little time before school

00:29:31.422 --> 00:29:32.001
starts.

00:29:32.021 --> 00:29:32.623
Yeah.

00:29:34.324 --> 00:29:35.865
Before school restarts, right?

00:29:35.904 --> 00:29:36.826
Like you've still been.

00:29:36.846 --> 00:29:37.625
Exactly.

00:29:37.645 --> 00:29:38.767
Yeah, you've still been in school.

00:29:38.826 --> 00:29:43.650
So now you currently are a PTA.

00:29:43.789 --> 00:29:46.392
You're working in a clinic.

00:29:48.953 --> 00:29:49.753
How did...

00:29:51.916 --> 00:29:53.237
how do you compare your,

00:29:53.356 --> 00:29:56.738
your study strategy to like your clinical

00:29:56.778 --> 00:29:57.238
strategy?

00:29:57.278 --> 00:29:59.818
Because you kind of made some like cross

00:29:59.878 --> 00:30:02.099
bridges here towards the,

00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:02.960
with the both of them.

00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:03.420
So like,

00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.381
can you give me an example of how

00:30:05.461 --> 00:30:06.820
some of the things that you've learned

00:30:06.840 --> 00:30:08.480
about how you study best and how you

00:30:08.560 --> 00:30:10.701
recall information has been helpful to you

00:30:10.721 --> 00:30:11.602
in the clinical setting?

00:30:11.622 --> 00:30:12.883
Yeah.

00:30:12.942 --> 00:30:14.282
So, um,

00:30:15.809 --> 00:30:17.230
this this tool i keep referencing remnote

00:30:17.310 --> 00:30:19.432
is something that i have on my work

00:30:19.451 --> 00:30:21.092
computer it's not something i download

00:30:21.112 --> 00:30:22.792
it's just in a web browser you can

00:30:22.813 --> 00:30:24.794
pull it up that will sync all of

00:30:24.814 --> 00:30:27.535
your stuff but what i would do is

00:30:27.575 --> 00:30:30.195
if i'm chart reviewing of course no uh

00:30:30.276 --> 00:30:33.376
hipaa type identifiers would be used in my

00:30:33.537 --> 00:30:35.057
in my notes and remnote but i would

00:30:36.178 --> 00:30:38.078
look through and if there was something

00:30:38.439 --> 00:30:41.279
that caught my attention it's like this

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.721
patient has a specific range of motion has

00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:45.001
this special test that's positive

00:30:46.098 --> 00:30:49.520
um, you know, what is, what,

00:30:49.601 --> 00:30:51.041
what could be the thing that's causing it?

00:30:52.021 --> 00:30:53.282
And so usually it's pretty

00:30:53.303 --> 00:30:54.784
straightforward, but sometimes I'd see,

00:30:54.884 --> 00:30:56.625
you know, I do go to different clinics.

00:30:57.404 --> 00:30:58.806
Sometimes I'd see a special test that I'm

00:30:58.846 --> 00:31:01.606
like, I have no idea what that is.

00:31:01.907 --> 00:31:02.307
So that's,

00:31:02.387 --> 00:31:04.409
that's when I was a great example when

00:31:04.489 --> 00:31:07.029
I would go and, um, you know,

00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:08.371
I've got different folders for the

00:31:08.391 --> 00:31:10.211
shoulder, the knee, the hip, the spine,

00:31:10.251 --> 00:31:12.113
and I go in and if it's assessing,

00:31:12.133 --> 00:31:12.173
um,

00:31:13.413 --> 00:31:16.515
miniscule whatever I'd go in I would do

00:31:16.535 --> 00:31:18.256
my research on the special test and then

00:31:18.296 --> 00:31:19.675
I'd have that just for later so I

00:31:19.695 --> 00:31:21.856
know I know I know the clinical

00:31:21.896 --> 00:31:23.438
significance of that to this patient I

00:31:23.458 --> 00:31:28.460
know that okay this means whatever X and

00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:30.961
now I have this in my repertoire so

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.402
if I need to reference that again I

00:31:32.422 --> 00:31:32.981
can type in

00:31:34.962 --> 00:31:37.243
Epley's whatever McMurray's.

00:31:37.344 --> 00:31:38.304
And then I know, okay,

00:31:38.324 --> 00:31:38.983
that's what that means.

00:31:39.523 --> 00:31:40.663
Those are ones that should be very

00:31:40.723 --> 00:31:41.585
obvious, but you know, that's,

00:31:41.605 --> 00:31:42.325
that's an example.

00:31:42.345 --> 00:31:42.585
Of course.

00:31:42.605 --> 00:31:42.684
Yeah.

00:31:43.444 --> 00:31:44.464
Um,

00:31:44.585 --> 00:31:46.546
another one would be like post-op

00:31:46.605 --> 00:31:47.246
protocols.

00:31:47.705 --> 00:31:49.405
So for the most part with a rotator

00:31:49.425 --> 00:31:50.826
cuff, those are pretty straightforward.

00:31:51.666 --> 00:31:52.106
Um, you're,

00:31:52.287 --> 00:31:53.987
you're following phases of tissue healing

00:31:54.887 --> 00:31:56.647
and you're floating those tissues

00:31:56.667 --> 00:31:58.107
appropriately at that phase.

00:31:58.667 --> 00:32:00.848
But sometimes it would be, um,

00:32:02.539 --> 00:32:03.039
There was one,

00:32:03.099 --> 00:32:05.622
it's called like a ladder J ladder jet

00:32:06.061 --> 00:32:06.603
procedure,

00:32:07.583 --> 00:32:08.763
something I'd never heard of before.

00:32:08.903 --> 00:32:10.705
And so that's when I go in,

00:32:10.746 --> 00:32:13.567
I make a new little, you know,

00:32:13.646 --> 00:32:15.588
undermine surgical procedures, whatever.

00:32:15.648 --> 00:32:17.630
I put that in and put in what

00:32:17.690 --> 00:32:19.050
exactly that involves,

00:32:19.090 --> 00:32:20.751
what tissues are involved so that I could

00:32:20.791 --> 00:32:21.873
better explain that to the patient.

00:32:22.634 --> 00:32:23.493
So if they had a question like,

00:32:23.534 --> 00:32:25.414
so what did like, why does this hurt?

00:32:25.955 --> 00:32:27.116
Why is this painful for me?

00:32:27.136 --> 00:32:29.077
I was like, well, they went in, they,

00:32:29.778 --> 00:32:30.739
I think they go in, they were like,

00:32:31.896 --> 00:32:33.518
move the coracoid process.

00:32:33.637 --> 00:32:35.238
It's for shoulder subluxation,

00:32:35.699 --> 00:32:36.338
hypermobility.

00:32:36.398 --> 00:32:38.220
And so they go in and they purposely

00:32:38.259 --> 00:32:39.440
limit the shoulder mobility.

00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:41.080
So then I'm able to better explain that

00:32:41.101 --> 00:32:41.580
to the patient.

00:32:41.661 --> 00:32:42.840
I have a better background.

00:32:44.501 --> 00:32:45.342
And so I do that.

00:32:45.402 --> 00:32:47.103
I rinse and repeat that for any sort

00:32:47.143 --> 00:32:48.483
of things that I'm just not aware of.

00:32:48.763 --> 00:32:49.923
And I think as a clinician,

00:32:51.944 --> 00:32:53.286
that really gives you a better,

00:32:55.987 --> 00:32:57.527
it improves your ability to explain things

00:32:57.547 --> 00:32:58.067
to the patient.

00:32:58.086 --> 00:32:59.448
Of course, you're not reciting

00:33:00.369 --> 00:33:01.671
the exact procedure that's going on,

00:33:01.691 --> 00:33:03.731
but if they have questions and like,

00:33:03.771 --> 00:33:04.633
why is this painful?

00:33:04.972 --> 00:33:06.334
I, why can I not do this?

00:33:06.973 --> 00:33:08.434
When should I be healed?

00:33:08.454 --> 00:33:09.776
You know, we don't have a magic ball,

00:33:09.836 --> 00:33:10.715
but it can kind of give you a

00:33:10.736 --> 00:33:13.198
better idea of when they should be, uh,

00:33:13.218 --> 00:33:13.258
um,

00:33:14.659 --> 00:33:15.740
getting to the point where you can do

00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.180
resistance, active range of motion,

00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.681
all this stuff,

00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:20.422
because of course we can't remember all of

00:33:20.442 --> 00:33:22.324
the post-op protocols and just know every

00:33:22.364 --> 00:33:22.943
single procedure.

00:33:24.125 --> 00:33:24.265
Um,

00:33:24.780 --> 00:33:26.403
So it's good to do your homework in

00:33:26.462 --> 00:33:28.664
that way, to be a better patient educator,

00:33:29.105 --> 00:33:30.747
and then to be able to better treat

00:33:31.127 --> 00:33:33.509
whatever surgery it is,

00:33:33.569 --> 00:33:34.570
or even if it's not a surgery,

00:33:35.551 --> 00:33:36.393
whatever condition it is.

00:33:37.778 --> 00:33:37.999
Yeah.

00:33:38.078 --> 00:33:39.861
And I was going to actually ask you

00:33:39.941 --> 00:33:43.204
what you chose to do as a treating

00:33:43.244 --> 00:33:44.807
clinician now when like you're not being

00:33:44.866 --> 00:33:47.068
held and that you are being held

00:33:47.209 --> 00:33:48.451
accountable for your learning,

00:33:48.550 --> 00:33:52.115
but you're not having somebody like as a

00:33:52.174 --> 00:33:52.915
student, you know,

00:33:52.955 --> 00:33:54.857
read these chapters or do these things

00:33:54.938 --> 00:33:56.338
ahead of class and things like that.

00:33:56.419 --> 00:33:56.759
So like,

00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.359
how you keep yourself accountable.

00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.260
But it sounds like you already have that

00:34:00.820 --> 00:34:03.862
system kind of in process and embedded

00:34:03.902 --> 00:34:07.742
where you just you you recognize your gaps

00:34:07.782 --> 00:34:10.364
in your knowledge or what you're lacking

00:34:10.543 --> 00:34:12.065
and then you're filling in the blanks and

00:34:12.085 --> 00:34:13.485
then you kind of like build on that,

00:34:13.545 --> 00:34:13.864
right?

00:34:13.885 --> 00:34:14.186
You know,

00:34:14.226 --> 00:34:16.846
like you're almost keeping yourself like a

00:34:16.885 --> 00:34:19.126
toolbox or a data bank.

00:34:19.146 --> 00:34:20.206
That was very fortunate.

00:34:20.248 --> 00:34:24.409
My very last clinical rotation at a great

00:34:24.449 --> 00:34:24.789
CI

00:34:25.809 --> 00:34:28.612
And he was very into continuous learning,

00:34:29.173 --> 00:34:29.954
which everyone should be.

00:34:30.355 --> 00:34:33.679
But it's not common that you find a

00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:34.621
clinician,

00:34:34.681 --> 00:34:37.925
especially he's been treating for a long

00:34:37.965 --> 00:34:38.365
time.

00:34:38.766 --> 00:34:40.527
You see someone who's still trying to

00:34:40.568 --> 00:34:42.311
learn because there's always stuff to

00:34:42.331 --> 00:34:42.510
learn.

00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:43.952
But anyways, he always encouraged me.

00:34:45.311 --> 00:34:45.690
um,

00:34:45.731 --> 00:34:48.652
to go home after my seven to five

00:34:48.672 --> 00:34:49.532
clinical rotation.

00:34:49.612 --> 00:34:51.472
When you're tired.

00:34:51.492 --> 00:34:52.952
Yeah, exactly.

00:34:53.052 --> 00:34:55.574
Which is, you know, tough, but you know,

00:34:55.614 --> 00:34:58.034
go home and do your, your homework,

00:34:58.494 --> 00:34:59.514
refresh on things.

00:34:59.994 --> 00:35:01.655
Um, and it was very specific.

00:35:01.695 --> 00:35:02.376
It wasn't just,

00:35:02.596 --> 00:35:05.657
I'm going to pick this to go study.

00:35:06.097 --> 00:35:07.597
And it's just totally random.

00:35:08.137 --> 00:35:08.577
It's like,

00:35:08.858 --> 00:35:09.878
what am I seeing a lot of?

00:35:09.998 --> 00:35:11.097
What am I seeing a lot of?

00:35:11.157 --> 00:35:12.599
And I'm uncomfortable treating.

00:35:12.918 --> 00:35:13.298
How can I,

00:35:14.086 --> 00:35:14.626
you know,

00:35:14.646 --> 00:35:16.088
build a knowledge base that would help me

00:35:16.628 --> 00:35:17.507
treat that patient better.

00:35:17.887 --> 00:35:18.528
And so that,

00:35:18.568 --> 00:35:19.929
that definitely helped a lot setting that

00:35:19.989 --> 00:35:21.110
up for my practice.

00:35:21.309 --> 00:35:22.630
Cause it's like, okay,

00:35:22.650 --> 00:35:24.271
that helped a ton being in that rotation,

00:35:24.431 --> 00:35:27.831
constantly being, um, you know,

00:35:27.871 --> 00:35:28.552
refreshed on things.

00:35:28.592 --> 00:35:30.092
And by the way, the caveat,

00:35:30.273 --> 00:35:31.653
it wasn't like I was spending hours and

00:35:31.693 --> 00:35:35.474
hours after the rotation and even now in

00:35:35.494 --> 00:35:37.315
the clinic, I'm not spending hours.

00:35:37.356 --> 00:35:39.237
It's like, I'll spend.

00:35:39.757 --> 00:35:40.916
Ten, twenty,

00:35:40.936 --> 00:35:42.737
thirty minutes looking at the thing.

00:35:43.856 --> 00:35:44.496
Once I've looked at it,

00:35:44.617 --> 00:35:45.717
I'll be in the clinic and I'll kind

00:35:45.757 --> 00:35:47.378
of pull up RemNote and it's flashcards.

00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:48.579
So you're going through and you're

00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:50.079
viewing, it's active recall.

00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:51.960
We're getting forgetting curves.

00:35:52.001 --> 00:35:54.942
So now I'm just trying to put all

00:35:54.981 --> 00:35:59.083
these tools together and try and,

00:36:00.664 --> 00:36:00.905
you know,

00:36:02.385 --> 00:36:03.606
what am I trying to get there?

00:36:05.005 --> 00:36:09.228
And trying to be just more well-rounded.

00:36:09.248 --> 00:36:09.648
Like you said,

00:36:09.688 --> 00:36:10.829
filling in those knowledge gaps.

00:36:11.893 --> 00:36:12.074
Yeah,

00:36:12.153 --> 00:36:14.536
and it sounds like the more that you're

00:36:14.637 --> 00:36:17.239
trying to basically eliminate those

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.041
learning drop-offs or those knowledge

00:36:19.061 --> 00:36:19.702
drop-offs, right?

00:36:20.043 --> 00:36:21.784
So like the more you kind of,

00:36:23.173 --> 00:36:25.014
keep touching on a specific subject you're

00:36:25.094 --> 00:36:27.936
you're likely to keep that that high on

00:36:27.976 --> 00:36:30.217
that instead of the drop-off right you

00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.599
know so the drop-off should become less

00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.820
and less each time so then you should

00:36:33.860 --> 00:36:36.041
eventually kind of create that base base

00:36:36.081 --> 00:36:38.923
knowledge um that stays a little bit

00:36:38.963 --> 00:36:41.005
better it's become embedded into your

00:36:41.045 --> 00:36:42.766
brain it's not necessarily something you

00:36:42.806 --> 00:36:44.568
have to sit there and and dig back

00:36:44.648 --> 00:36:46.869
up every single time yeah it becomes a

00:36:46.969 --> 00:36:49.510
little more natural yeah so what has

00:36:50.891 --> 00:36:52.672
What has being an SPT,

00:36:52.851 --> 00:36:54.193
a student physical therapist,

00:36:54.913 --> 00:36:58.795
taught you as a treating PTA and vice

00:36:58.835 --> 00:36:59.436
versa?

00:37:00.255 --> 00:37:02.737
How does that work when you're a PTA

00:37:02.777 --> 00:37:03.378
that's treating,

00:37:03.418 --> 00:37:04.918
but you're also a student PT?

00:37:05.418 --> 00:37:07.139
What are those two things teaching you

00:37:07.179 --> 00:37:08.860
about each other?

00:37:08.900 --> 00:37:11.181
So that's a great question because that

00:37:11.222 --> 00:37:12.722
was the coolest thing.

00:37:13.003 --> 00:37:15.525
That's what I was most excited for going

00:37:15.545 --> 00:37:16.844
into the first semester of PT school

00:37:16.885 --> 00:37:18.005
because it's just gross anatomy.

00:37:18.992 --> 00:37:21.494
So we have that and a professional issues

00:37:21.534 --> 00:37:25.215
type course where you're reviewing state

00:37:25.255 --> 00:37:26.836
guidelines, practice act, all that stuff,

00:37:26.956 --> 00:37:27.617
which was also good.

00:37:28.157 --> 00:37:31.679
But being able to go into class and

00:37:31.759 --> 00:37:35.201
see a cadaver and being able to cut

00:37:35.240 --> 00:37:36.882
it open and look at all these structures,

00:37:37.963 --> 00:37:39.603
it really makes you think about these

00:37:39.643 --> 00:37:40.963
different manual techniques that you're

00:37:41.043 --> 00:37:41.304
using.

00:37:42.164 --> 00:37:43.105
How effective are they really?

00:37:44.106 --> 00:37:45.425
That's a different can of worms.

00:37:47.242 --> 00:37:48.463
and then thinking about to have a

00:37:48.483 --> 00:37:50.824
different episode on that yeah and

00:37:50.864 --> 00:37:53.045
thinking about like what um what is

00:37:53.164 --> 00:37:54.706
actually happening when you're doing that

00:37:54.726 --> 00:37:59.788
anyways but just from pt from the spt

00:37:59.827 --> 00:38:03.090
perspective the pta it is awesome really

00:38:03.110 --> 00:38:05.831
building a great anatomy foundation like

00:38:05.851 --> 00:38:08.012
i'm able to go and see how the

00:38:08.052 --> 00:38:09.313
brachial plexus runs through the upper

00:38:09.333 --> 00:38:11.494
quarter i'm able to see the the

00:38:11.574 --> 00:38:15.516
pre-rotator muscles our suboccipitals um

00:38:16.106 --> 00:38:17.987
getting into the thigh, the foot,

00:38:18.027 --> 00:38:18.288
all these,

00:38:18.307 --> 00:38:21.108
and it helps with your palpation skills,

00:38:21.148 --> 00:38:24.050
all this different stuff with, um,

00:38:24.990 --> 00:38:26.391
you know, knowing your neurovasculature,

00:38:26.431 --> 00:38:26.971
all that things,

00:38:26.990 --> 00:38:28.632
because I want to eventually go and dry

00:38:28.652 --> 00:38:29.873
needle on how to do that.

00:38:29.893 --> 00:38:31.793
So that's a great foundation there.

00:38:32.634 --> 00:38:36.775
And then from PTA to SPT, you know,

00:38:36.795 --> 00:38:37.735
since I'm a clinician,

00:38:38.076 --> 00:38:40.376
I know how this stuff will be relevant

00:38:40.456 --> 00:38:40.976
in the clinic.

00:38:42.217 --> 00:38:45.778
Um, so, you know, knowing again,

00:38:46.034 --> 00:38:47.394
of sticking with upper quarter and

00:38:47.414 --> 00:38:50.556
thoracic outlet like okay i can see how

00:38:50.735 --> 00:38:53.135
these the scalenes the pec minor the first

00:38:53.195 --> 00:38:56.036
rib clavicle how that all could be sites

00:38:56.137 --> 00:38:58.677
of entrapment irritation because i'm i can

00:38:58.737 --> 00:39:00.077
see it i'm like i'm looking at i'm

00:39:00.097 --> 00:39:02.338
moving it around it's it's just yeah it

00:39:02.358 --> 00:39:04.818
goes back and forth because you can think

00:39:04.838 --> 00:39:06.838
about why it's relevant and then you can

00:39:06.938 --> 00:39:08.978
see it and then reapply it and have

00:39:08.998 --> 00:39:12.300
a better understanding as a clinician yeah

00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:13.880
i wish gross anatomy was something that we

00:39:13.900 --> 00:39:14.940
could just take as a ceu it's

00:39:15.333 --> 00:39:16.552
I don't know how that would work,

00:39:16.572 --> 00:39:17.554
but it would be incredible.

00:39:17.974 --> 00:39:18.914
Yeah.

00:39:19.014 --> 00:39:19.193
Yeah.

00:39:19.293 --> 00:39:19.494
I mean,

00:39:19.634 --> 00:39:22.715
I remember my first semester as a PTA

00:39:22.775 --> 00:39:23.175
student,

00:39:23.835 --> 00:39:26.215
I was an aid in a PT clinic.

00:39:26.255 --> 00:39:27.597
So to me,

00:39:27.637 --> 00:39:29.416
like the only thing I really ever knew

00:39:29.456 --> 00:39:31.538
was outpatient physical therapy.

00:39:31.577 --> 00:39:32.358
And I was like, well,

00:39:32.378 --> 00:39:33.659
this is what I'm going to do for

00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:34.679
the rest of my life.

00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:35.018
You know,

00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:36.519
like I'm going to work in outpatient.

00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.621
And that first semester was all basic

00:39:39.661 --> 00:39:40.960
patient skills.

00:39:41.621 --> 00:39:43.043
It was like, you know,

00:39:43.083 --> 00:39:45.824
your vital signs and your transfers and

00:39:45.905 --> 00:39:47.706
like your gait training and a bunch of

00:39:47.726 --> 00:39:49.628
stuff that I didn't really ever see

00:39:49.668 --> 00:39:50.389
firsthand.

00:39:50.509 --> 00:39:51.750
Even though I was working at a PT

00:39:51.769 --> 00:39:52.190
clinic,

00:39:52.630 --> 00:39:55.012
I was seeing much more high level

00:39:55.052 --> 00:39:57.393
patients, you know, in real time.

00:39:57.713 --> 00:39:58.855
So like to me, I was like,

00:39:59.076 --> 00:40:00.155
what do we have to learn all this

00:40:00.175 --> 00:40:00.356
stuff for?

00:40:00.376 --> 00:40:00.556
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:00.577 --> 00:40:01.197
And of course, you know, like.

00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:03.878
Yeah, I know.

00:40:03.898 --> 00:40:04.079
I'm like,

00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.579
why are we going through all of this?

00:40:05.619 --> 00:40:06.960
You know, and of course, here I am,

00:40:08.001 --> 00:40:09.483
you know, twenty some years later,

00:40:09.543 --> 00:40:10.722
I've worked in acute care.

00:40:10.742 --> 00:40:12.644
I continue to work in skilled nursing and

00:40:12.664 --> 00:40:13.605
I'm like, oh, yeah,

00:40:13.625 --> 00:40:15.286
like it's all it's all applicable.

00:40:15.385 --> 00:40:15.585
Yeah.

00:40:15.706 --> 00:40:17.547
But like that first semester, I was like,

00:40:17.748 --> 00:40:20.688
I don't understand why we're doing all of

00:40:20.710 --> 00:40:20.949
this.

00:40:20.969 --> 00:40:21.170
Yeah, no,

00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:23.030
it's definitely like if you've only been

00:40:23.050 --> 00:40:25.032
an outpatient as an aide or whatever,

00:40:25.052 --> 00:40:26.172
we had a few people like that.

00:40:26.193 --> 00:40:26.492
They were like.

00:40:26.512 --> 00:40:28.713
Yeah, you mean this is what?

00:40:29.094 --> 00:40:31.596
Yeah, exactly.

00:40:31.615 --> 00:40:32.115
Yeah.

00:40:32.195 --> 00:40:32.817
It's also cool.

00:40:34.047 --> 00:40:34.226
you know,

00:40:34.266 --> 00:40:35.666
just not from a musculoskeletal

00:40:35.686 --> 00:40:36.146
standpoint,

00:40:36.166 --> 00:40:37.708
but also being able to look at your

00:40:38.847 --> 00:40:39.688
thoracic cavity,

00:40:40.208 --> 00:40:41.648
peritoneum and all this stuff.

00:40:41.788 --> 00:40:43.608
And when you go into, you know, acute,

00:40:45.509 --> 00:40:47.889
being able to better explain someone who's

00:40:48.190 --> 00:40:48.690
status post,

00:40:48.710 --> 00:40:50.550
whatever sort of abdominal surgery,

00:40:50.590 --> 00:40:50.750
you know,

00:40:50.769 --> 00:40:52.409
we see a ton of those here in

00:40:52.670 --> 00:40:53.590
the Northeast Arkansas.

00:40:54.291 --> 00:40:56.210
And so it's just, again,

00:40:56.271 --> 00:40:57.271
it just goes back and forth.

00:40:57.331 --> 00:41:00.632
You improve your fundamental A&P and then

00:41:00.692 --> 00:41:01.791
you're applying it

00:41:02.141 --> 00:41:03.001
It just goes back and forth.

00:41:03.021 --> 00:41:04.643
It's really cool.

00:41:04.722 --> 00:41:05.664
Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:06.284 --> 00:41:07.565
So tell me a little bit about this

00:41:07.605 --> 00:41:09.766
setup because you went to PTA school

00:41:10.246 --> 00:41:12.027
exactly where you're going to PT school.

00:41:12.067 --> 00:41:15.347
So tell me about the program at Arkansas

00:41:15.407 --> 00:41:18.088
State and how this worked out so

00:41:18.128 --> 00:41:18.949
wonderfully for you.

00:41:19.769 --> 00:41:19.929
Yeah,

00:41:19.949 --> 00:41:21.731
they've got a few really cool things going

00:41:21.831 --> 00:41:22.030
on.

00:41:22.652 --> 00:41:24.813
One of which is called their Professional

00:41:24.833 --> 00:41:28.653
Track Health Studies program.

00:41:28.673 --> 00:41:30.014
So to give some background,

00:41:30.434 --> 00:41:31.195
going into college,

00:41:31.295 --> 00:41:32.036
I wanted to do like

00:41:32.621 --> 00:41:33.461
computer science,

00:41:33.862 --> 00:41:35.943
something just totally not tangential to

00:41:36.402 --> 00:41:37.003
physical therapy.

00:41:37.023 --> 00:41:40.822
I ended up having some life experiences

00:41:40.842 --> 00:41:43.643
with my family and kind of reflected on

00:41:43.664 --> 00:41:44.804
that and was like, okay,

00:41:44.824 --> 00:41:45.643
this is something I want to do.

00:41:47.063 --> 00:41:47.385
Anyways,

00:41:47.684 --> 00:41:50.704
I was playing a gig in downtown Jonesboro,

00:41:50.744 --> 00:41:53.106
Arkansas, and I get off stage.

00:41:53.326 --> 00:41:54.806
A gig on your drums?

00:41:54.885 --> 00:41:57.246
On the drums, yeah.

00:41:57.266 --> 00:41:58.987
I get down off stage and the director

00:41:59.306 --> 00:42:00.586
of the PTA program,

00:42:00.746 --> 00:42:01.567
who I had no idea was

00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:02.889
who that was at the time,

00:42:02.949 --> 00:42:05.130
came up to me and was talking about

00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:06.911
how she loved the facial expressions I was

00:42:06.971 --> 00:42:08.251
making and how I was playing and all

00:42:08.271 --> 00:42:08.632
that stuff.

00:42:08.672 --> 00:42:09.751
And I was like, thank you, thank you.

00:42:10.612 --> 00:42:11.012
And she was like,

00:42:11.032 --> 00:42:13.012
are you still in high school or going

00:42:13.032 --> 00:42:13.532
to college?

00:42:13.552 --> 00:42:14.653
And I would explain, oh,

00:42:14.673 --> 00:42:15.514
I'm going to college.

00:42:15.534 --> 00:42:16.833
I'm kind of thinking about doing physical

00:42:16.873 --> 00:42:17.054
therapy.

00:42:17.074 --> 00:42:19.315
She's like, great, okay.

00:42:19.574 --> 00:42:20.934
And so she kind of lured me in.

00:42:22.076 --> 00:42:24.657
And she had mentioned this health studies

00:42:24.717 --> 00:42:25.217
PTA thing.

00:42:25.257 --> 00:42:26.856
So to make a long story short,

00:42:27.117 --> 00:42:29.538
you do your first year

00:42:30.014 --> 00:42:31.454
which is just getting your prerequisites

00:42:31.474 --> 00:42:32.476
for the PTA program.

00:42:32.675 --> 00:42:38.260
So A&P, physics, English, all that stuff.

00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:40.461
You go and do one year of the

00:42:40.501 --> 00:42:41.382
PTA program,

00:42:42.384 --> 00:42:43.625
and then you can either do it in

00:42:45.206 --> 00:42:46.766
one or two years that you're bachelors.

00:42:47.347 --> 00:42:48.628
You do a health studies program,

00:42:48.648 --> 00:42:51.271
so you're learning about quality

00:42:51.291 --> 00:42:52.851
improvement in health care,

00:42:53.052 --> 00:42:54.512
a lot of the administrative side of

00:42:54.793 --> 00:42:56.054
things, which is great if you want to.

00:42:56.614 --> 00:42:58.096
Instead of being a PT,

00:42:58.115 --> 00:42:59.396
you go and do admin.

00:43:00.202 --> 00:43:01.063
Anyway, so I did that in one year.

00:43:01.583 --> 00:43:02.704
So my undergrad was three years.

00:43:02.804 --> 00:43:04.644
And then in that process,

00:43:05.746 --> 00:43:06.826
I was able to work.

00:43:07.547 --> 00:43:09.367
I was doing full-time online courses.

00:43:09.407 --> 00:43:10.007
That's another thing.

00:43:10.027 --> 00:43:10.608
It was online.

00:43:10.628 --> 00:43:12.889
So I was able to be full-time as

00:43:12.909 --> 00:43:14.210
a PTA and then come home and do

00:43:14.251 --> 00:43:14.831
my classes.

00:43:15.532 --> 00:43:16.632
And then I was prepping for the GRE.

00:43:17.532 --> 00:43:21.135
And a year after graduating, PTA,

00:43:21.876 --> 00:43:22.777
applied to PT.

00:43:23.855 --> 00:43:24.215
uh,

00:43:24.255 --> 00:43:26.036
got in and it's pretty seamless the way

00:43:26.056 --> 00:43:27.378
it works at a state because you see

00:43:27.398 --> 00:43:28.460
a lot of the same faculty,

00:43:28.699 --> 00:43:29.721
even if you didn't have them.

00:43:30.021 --> 00:43:31.382
So a lot of the PT professors,

00:43:31.422 --> 00:43:32.244
of course I didn't have,

00:43:32.844 --> 00:43:35.146
but I'd run into them through the halls

00:43:35.206 --> 00:43:36.108
or we had again,

00:43:36.128 --> 00:43:38.710
that collaboration between PTA PT had seen

00:43:38.730 --> 00:43:38.851
them.

00:43:38.891 --> 00:43:40.512
And so it's, it's been,

00:43:40.532 --> 00:43:42.153
it's been really seamless and it's been

00:43:42.193 --> 00:43:43.755
really cool, uh,

00:43:44.576 --> 00:43:46.617
getting all that done at one university.

00:43:47.018 --> 00:43:47.119
So.

00:43:48.139 --> 00:43:48.780
Now,

00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.121
did you guys have collaboration as PT,

00:43:51.181 --> 00:43:52.163
PTA students?

00:43:52.362 --> 00:43:54.184
Did you ever have activities or events

00:43:54.224 --> 00:43:56.204
where you were able to work together or

00:43:56.264 --> 00:43:57.085
anything like that?

00:43:58.286 --> 00:43:59.507
We're doing more of that now.

00:43:59.967 --> 00:44:02.349
We have what's called the Parkinson's Boot

00:44:02.389 --> 00:44:02.568
Camp.

00:44:03.028 --> 00:44:05.951
And so we'll invite Parkinson's patients

00:44:06.572 --> 00:44:07.251
around the community.

00:44:07.771 --> 00:44:10.054
It's hosted by a neuro-patient clinic.

00:44:10.094 --> 00:44:11.014
I can't recall their name.

00:44:11.514 --> 00:44:11.574
Hmm.

00:44:12.894 --> 00:44:14.675
but they'll get these Parkinson's patients

00:44:14.755 --> 00:44:19.257
and then PT or SPT, SPTA, OT,

00:44:19.617 --> 00:44:21.418
CODA students will all come together to

00:44:21.458 --> 00:44:23.460
help, you know,

00:44:23.619 --> 00:44:25.139
put these fun games together for these

00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:26.940
Parkinson's patients and stuff like that.

00:44:27.621 --> 00:44:31.242
And other than that, we also do like,

00:44:32.523 --> 00:44:32.804
like,

00:44:33.068 --> 00:44:34.010
patient handling stuff.

00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:35.210
So like I said, they,

00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:36.831
as a PTA student,

00:44:36.851 --> 00:44:38.512
you learn that very early on.

00:44:38.972 --> 00:44:40.572
That's important because you've got a

00:44:40.612 --> 00:44:42.054
clinical coming up your first year, right?

00:44:42.454 --> 00:44:44.175
Or your, sorry, your second semester.

00:44:45.016 --> 00:44:47.237
And so while we're in the weeds on

00:44:47.297 --> 00:44:49.257
gross anatomy, we have no idea how to,

00:44:49.338 --> 00:44:50.639
what a gait belt is or what a

00:44:50.659 --> 00:44:51.139
transfer is.

00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.922
And that way we're able to collaborate and

00:44:56.202 --> 00:44:56.943
build, you know,

00:44:56.963 --> 00:44:59.103
kind of bounce back and forth what we

00:44:59.143 --> 00:44:59.364
know,

00:44:59.503 --> 00:45:00.525
what we're going through and stuff like

00:45:00.545 --> 00:45:00.664
that.

00:45:02.485 --> 00:45:04.387
And we're also in the same building.

00:45:04.547 --> 00:45:07.567
We're just across the hallway from each

00:45:07.606 --> 00:45:07.788
other.

00:45:08.248 --> 00:45:08.887
That's great.

00:45:09.507 --> 00:45:10.148
Yeah.

00:45:10.487 --> 00:45:12.148
And I know a lot of PT and

00:45:12.168 --> 00:45:15.150
PT programs are doing a lot better at

00:45:15.429 --> 00:45:17.650
integrating students early on.

00:45:18.231 --> 00:45:20.971
I know that the PT and PTA students

00:45:20.990 --> 00:45:21.851
that I work with,

00:45:22.831 --> 00:45:25.873
we do an event where they get together.

00:45:25.952 --> 00:45:27.373
In the first half of the event,

00:45:27.452 --> 00:45:29.193
we simply just have them ask,

00:45:30.193 --> 00:45:32.255
kind of like speed dating questions like

00:45:32.617 --> 00:45:34.318
what do you like to do what do

00:45:34.338 --> 00:45:36.201
you like to do for fun what are

00:45:36.221 --> 00:45:38.603
your favorite books you know like who do

00:45:38.623 --> 00:45:40.284
you follow on instagram you know all this

00:45:40.304 --> 00:45:41.527
kind of stuff you know it's just like

00:45:42.067 --> 00:45:44.250
learning that you're all humans right

00:45:45.173 --> 00:45:46.315
Like everybody, you know,

00:45:46.335 --> 00:45:50.539
we all have goals and dreams and everybody

00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:52.561
came into physical therapy for their own

00:45:52.681 --> 00:45:53.824
personal reasons.

00:45:53.903 --> 00:45:56.806
And some of it was their own injury.

00:45:56.847 --> 00:45:58.128
Some of them were family members.

00:45:58.148 --> 00:45:59.530
Some of them had nothing to do with

00:45:59.570 --> 00:45:59.769
that.

00:45:59.829 --> 00:46:01.331
But there's all these different reasons

00:46:01.371 --> 00:46:02.233
why people come in.

00:46:02.432 --> 00:46:03.393
And I'm always...

00:46:05.016 --> 00:46:06.777
it's always surprising to me that after

00:46:06.858 --> 00:46:08.780
every time we do this event the pta

00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.621
students come to me and they always say

00:46:11.181 --> 00:46:12.643
i knew so much more than i thought

00:46:12.722 --> 00:46:14.224
i did and i'm like well of course

00:46:14.264 --> 00:46:15.585
you did you know like i'm not going

00:46:15.606 --> 00:46:17.148
to throw you into something where i knew

00:46:17.188 --> 00:46:19.389
you wouldn't be able to swim um but

00:46:19.469 --> 00:46:20.791
yeah of course you did you know and

00:46:20.811 --> 00:46:22.012
they were like well we just thought that

00:46:22.032 --> 00:46:22.954
they were going to be so much more

00:46:22.974 --> 00:46:24.135
advanced than us and

00:46:24.635 --> 00:46:26.115
And a lot of that has to do

00:46:26.155 --> 00:46:27.197
with timing.

00:46:27.237 --> 00:46:27.777
Like you said,

00:46:27.818 --> 00:46:29.679
like in your first year of PT school,

00:46:30.139 --> 00:46:31.641
you're learning gross anatomy right now.

00:46:31.701 --> 00:46:33.422
You guys haven't even gotten into some of

00:46:33.461 --> 00:46:34.603
that more detailed things,

00:46:34.623 --> 00:46:36.985
but in the PTA program, you're right away.

00:46:37.005 --> 00:46:38.445
You know, like I said,

00:46:38.485 --> 00:46:40.007
you're transferring patients right away.

00:46:40.027 --> 00:46:41.548
You're like kind of diving right in.

00:46:41.949 --> 00:46:44.530
And that shows some of those different

00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:47.793
facets of what makes us very unique and

00:46:47.833 --> 00:46:49.695
very helpful to each other, right?

00:46:49.755 --> 00:46:53.338
You know, like we need that blend of,

00:46:54.177 --> 00:46:56.340
the way that the PT brain works and

00:46:56.380 --> 00:46:58.420
the way that the PT brain is kind

00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:01.202
of assessing a situation and the way that

00:47:01.222 --> 00:47:03.043
the PTA is kind of handling that

00:47:03.063 --> 00:47:03.483
situation.

00:47:03.523 --> 00:47:05.065
That's what makes it, you know,

00:47:05.085 --> 00:47:07.447
a really good partnership.

00:47:07.547 --> 00:47:09.889
And something that honestly I now take for

00:47:09.909 --> 00:47:11.829
granted having gone to a state,

00:47:11.889 --> 00:47:14.592
but sometimes it goes both ways.

00:47:14.692 --> 00:47:16.713
PTs don't know what a PTA is capable

00:47:16.793 --> 00:47:19.695
of or what they know or, you know,

00:47:19.795 --> 00:47:21.235
kind of what training they had.

00:47:22.215 --> 00:47:23.056
But at a state it's,

00:47:23.393 --> 00:47:24.393
It's very transparent.

00:47:24.614 --> 00:47:24.873
You know,

00:47:24.934 --> 00:47:28.135
we know that PTAs go through an intense

00:47:28.295 --> 00:47:30.858
first or one year where you're learning

00:47:30.978 --> 00:47:33.960
essentially all that we have to know in

00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.402
one year minus the evaluative stuff and

00:47:36.501 --> 00:47:37.682
all the detailed things.

00:47:37.722 --> 00:47:39.643
But, you know, PTA knows a lot.

00:47:40.425 --> 00:47:42.425
And sometimes if, you know,

00:47:42.485 --> 00:47:44.367
I've seen this before where a PTE maybe

00:47:44.407 --> 00:47:45.807
didn't have that experience and they're

00:47:45.827 --> 00:47:48.090
not aware of what a PTA can do.

00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:50.440
that PT PTA relationship can be a little

00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:51.322
harder to foster.

00:47:52.382 --> 00:47:55.403
But if you're a graduate from a state

00:47:55.443 --> 00:47:56.025
physical therapy,

00:47:56.065 --> 00:47:58.626
you've had that your entire three years.

00:47:58.786 --> 00:47:59.666
And that's really cool.

00:48:00.387 --> 00:48:01.608
You're going to be ready to rock and

00:48:01.648 --> 00:48:02.949
roll and you're going to be like doubly

00:48:03.068 --> 00:48:03.889
ready to rock and roll.

00:48:04.250 --> 00:48:05.269
So why DPT?

00:48:05.309 --> 00:48:06.851
Like what made you decide to do that?

00:48:06.891 --> 00:48:08.592
Was that always the plan or was it

00:48:08.632 --> 00:48:09.373
kind of, I mean,

00:48:09.472 --> 00:48:10.753
obviously it wasn't always the plan

00:48:10.793 --> 00:48:12.014
because you were thinking about something

00:48:12.034 --> 00:48:12.695
completely different,

00:48:12.715 --> 00:48:15.315
but like when you came into PTA school,

00:48:15.335 --> 00:48:16.157
were you kind of like, Oh,

00:48:16.177 --> 00:48:16.516
you know what?

00:48:16.556 --> 00:48:17.757
Maybe I will keep going.

00:48:19.115 --> 00:48:21.597
So I wasn't one hundred percent sure on

00:48:21.637 --> 00:48:21.737
it,

00:48:21.838 --> 00:48:24.059
but I was I was like eighty five

00:48:24.579 --> 00:48:27.521
percent sure because I knew they had this

00:48:27.541 --> 00:48:28.081
really cool,

00:48:28.422 --> 00:48:29.643
almost like a fast track program,

00:48:29.663 --> 00:48:31.545
like you can get your undergrad and your

00:48:31.565 --> 00:48:33.246
associates and PTA in three years.

00:48:34.226 --> 00:48:34.867
If you want,

00:48:34.947 --> 00:48:37.789
if you really want to hate yourself for

00:48:38.048 --> 00:48:40.471
for three years and then you can go

00:48:40.650 --> 00:48:42.251
and get your PT in the same place.

00:48:42.331 --> 00:48:45.333
And so I knew that the end game

00:48:45.373 --> 00:48:45.735
was PT.

00:48:46.556 --> 00:48:48.217
But after going through the PTA program,

00:48:48.237 --> 00:48:48.657
I was like, well,

00:48:48.677 --> 00:48:49.516
this is a really cool gig.

00:48:49.856 --> 00:48:50.677
Like, I can do a lot.

00:48:50.717 --> 00:48:52.057
I didn't realize how much you could do

00:48:52.097 --> 00:48:52.657
as a PTA.

00:48:54.538 --> 00:48:56.119
But ultimately, yeah, going back.

00:48:56.579 --> 00:48:56.938
Now,

00:48:56.958 --> 00:48:58.659
figuring out the finances is a little

00:48:58.699 --> 00:49:02.581
strange because you, as a PTA,

00:49:02.601 --> 00:49:05.302
are missing out on three years of working

00:49:05.322 --> 00:49:08.322
full-time, of being a pay-in.

00:49:08.342 --> 00:49:08.822
That sucks.

00:49:08.862 --> 00:49:09.722
It's a hard pill to swallow.

00:49:10.422 --> 00:49:11.364
But around here,

00:49:11.384 --> 00:49:12.824
we have really good opportunities to work

00:49:12.864 --> 00:49:14.364
on the weekends in patient rehab

00:49:14.384 --> 00:49:15.485
facilities and things like that.

00:49:15.505 --> 00:49:16.005
Right, yeah.

00:49:16.896 --> 00:49:18.097
it becomes a lot more feasible.

00:49:18.117 --> 00:49:19.478
Yeah.

00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.961
Are there any other students that are kind

00:49:21.981 --> 00:49:23.782
of doing the same pathway as you that

00:49:23.822 --> 00:49:26.686
were previous students from Arkansas State

00:49:26.706 --> 00:49:27.907
that are coming back through?

00:49:27.967 --> 00:49:29.728
Like, do you see that happen frequently?

00:49:30.608 --> 00:49:34.172
There's usually always like one or two in

00:49:34.231 --> 00:49:34.793
each cohort.

00:49:34.813 --> 00:49:35.853
Like this past cohort,

00:49:35.873 --> 00:49:38.456
I know there was at least one who

00:49:38.496 --> 00:49:40.137
graduated from Arkansas State,

00:49:40.478 --> 00:49:41.539
took a little bit of a gap,

00:49:41.978 --> 00:49:43.661
and he went and did a ton of

00:49:43.681 --> 00:49:43.920
stuff.

00:49:43.940 --> 00:49:44.081
He's a

00:49:44.835 --> 00:49:45.775
an amazing therapist,

00:49:45.795 --> 00:49:48.677
and then went back and graduated with his

00:49:48.717 --> 00:49:49.139
doctorate.

00:49:49.458 --> 00:49:51.440
And then there's one in my class who,

00:49:51.721 --> 00:49:52.601
or one other in my class,

00:49:53.202 --> 00:49:55.123
who had an ASU Mountain Home program.

00:49:55.603 --> 00:49:57.286
He did that practice for a few years

00:49:57.326 --> 00:49:58.027
and then came back.

00:49:58.067 --> 00:49:59.487
So you do see it, you know,

00:49:59.507 --> 00:50:01.489
about one or two that usually they come

00:50:01.510 --> 00:50:03.030
back and get it.

00:50:03.090 --> 00:50:04.572
What kind of questions do you think a

00:50:04.632 --> 00:50:06.793
PTA should be asking themselves if they're

00:50:06.914 --> 00:50:09.536
considering going back to be a DPT?

00:50:10.539 --> 00:50:10.679
I mean,

00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:12.001
is there anything that you would say,

00:50:12.481 --> 00:50:14.623
really ask yourself these things before

00:50:14.663 --> 00:50:15.342
you take the jump?

00:50:16.423 --> 00:50:18.666
Yeah, I mean, I'd ask yourself,

00:50:18.826 --> 00:50:23.208
what do you want out of, you know,

00:50:23.568 --> 00:50:24.590
spending an extra three years on your

00:50:24.630 --> 00:50:25.110
education?

00:50:26.231 --> 00:50:26.731
For some people,

00:50:26.811 --> 00:50:28.273
if you've already been in it a long

00:50:28.333 --> 00:50:32.815
time in your PTA, and you enjoy having,

00:50:34.416 --> 00:50:35.918
you know, you're treating more,

00:50:35.958 --> 00:50:37.298
there's less paperwork,

00:50:37.318 --> 00:50:38.400
there's less overhead,

00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:38.719
and

00:50:40.393 --> 00:50:41.795
A degree that's less responsibility

00:50:41.934 --> 00:50:43.576
because you're not having to supervise

00:50:43.835 --> 00:50:44.496
different therapists.

00:50:46.117 --> 00:50:47.559
You can still make great money.

00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:49.800
So you have to think about the financial

00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:50.380
part of it.

00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:51.862
Are you doing this to make more money?

00:50:51.922 --> 00:50:53.123
Because in that instance,

00:50:54.603 --> 00:50:56.646
maybe spending three more years in college

00:50:56.666 --> 00:50:58.807
is not the best way to do that.

00:50:58.847 --> 00:51:01.309
Especially, you know,

00:51:01.389 --> 00:51:03.030
a state is very affordable.

00:51:03.532 --> 00:51:06.594
it's about sixty ish thousand for the full

00:51:06.634 --> 00:51:09.175
three years which is really good yeah your

00:51:09.215 --> 00:51:11.695
PTA and you're somewhere where it's a

00:51:11.815 --> 00:51:14.077
hundred and sixty thousand for three years

00:51:14.097 --> 00:51:16.518
yeah you have to think is that really

00:51:16.597 --> 00:51:17.657
is that really worth it return on

00:51:17.697 --> 00:51:20.059
investment you know are you gonna yeah

00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:22.019
really in the long run make more money

00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:25.800
going the extra three years so I think

00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:27.782
the biggest thing is financially is it a

00:51:27.822 --> 00:51:28.382
good investment

00:51:29.980 --> 00:51:30.860
If your heart's in it,

00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:32.061
if you really want to get that extra

00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:32.800
education,

00:51:33.322 --> 00:51:34.621
then you can figure out how do I

00:51:34.641 --> 00:51:36.722
want to make the financial part of it

00:51:36.742 --> 00:51:36.902
work.

00:51:36.943 --> 00:51:38.483
Can I find a good affordable school?

00:51:39.563 --> 00:51:40.945
Can I work on the weekends?

00:51:41.565 --> 00:51:43.726
Can I, you know, move in,

00:51:43.746 --> 00:51:44.706
kind of find a roommate, you know,

00:51:44.746 --> 00:51:45.565
make it work in that way.

00:51:46.867 --> 00:51:49.628
I think the biggest things are finances

00:51:49.768 --> 00:51:51.909
and then the meaning you want out of

00:51:51.929 --> 00:51:52.248
the career.

00:51:53.706 --> 00:51:53.905
Now,

00:51:54.166 --> 00:51:56.047
you are a first generation college

00:51:56.067 --> 00:51:57.248
student, is that correct?

00:51:58.128 --> 00:52:00.768
So what kind of things did you think

00:52:00.809 --> 00:52:03.389
about before you decided on college?

00:52:03.429 --> 00:52:05.751
When you were considering college,

00:52:06.271 --> 00:52:07.751
what kind of questions did you ask

00:52:07.771 --> 00:52:10.293
yourself about debt, education,

00:52:10.373 --> 00:52:11.534
return on investment?

00:52:12.574 --> 00:52:14.255
How do people kind of parse that

00:52:14.295 --> 00:52:16.436
information out?

00:52:16.476 --> 00:52:21.398
So my biggest thing and something that I'm

00:52:21.418 --> 00:52:22.458
sure my entire generation

00:52:23.532 --> 00:52:25.673
ruminates on before they decide to go to

00:52:25.693 --> 00:52:28.793
college is the cost.

00:52:28.813 --> 00:52:31.295
College is just continuing to get more

00:52:31.335 --> 00:52:32.255
expensive and things.

00:52:32.335 --> 00:52:38.556
But if you're going into a profession that

00:52:38.577 --> 00:52:39.336
requires a degree,

00:52:39.496 --> 00:52:40.498
such as physical therapy,

00:52:41.498 --> 00:52:44.719
and you are getting scholarships.

00:52:44.759 --> 00:52:45.639
I was fortunate.

00:52:45.898 --> 00:52:47.039
I got really good scholarships.

00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:48.579
For me,

00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:51.201
it was a no-brainer to make that

00:52:51.221 --> 00:52:52.101
investment in time.

00:52:52.681 --> 00:52:53.922
it really was more of an investment time

00:52:53.943 --> 00:52:54.543
than it was money.

00:52:54.744 --> 00:52:57.126
And so in that instance,

00:52:57.186 --> 00:52:58.206
it's a great choice.

00:52:59.186 --> 00:53:01.528
If you are fresh out of high school

00:53:01.748 --> 00:53:02.550
and you're like, I don't,

00:53:02.929 --> 00:53:03.911
I can't afford it.

00:53:04.550 --> 00:53:05.711
I don't have good scholarships.

00:53:05.731 --> 00:53:08.333
You know, it may be better to,

00:53:09.974 --> 00:53:11.717
if for instance, being a PTA,

00:53:11.817 --> 00:53:13.057
it's two years, it's,

00:53:13.518 --> 00:53:15.099
it's still a big chunk of change,

00:53:15.139 --> 00:53:17.601
but you're out in two years and now

00:53:17.681 --> 00:53:19.222
you're, you're practicing as a,

00:53:19.422 --> 00:53:20.903
as a clinician and making money.

00:53:21.748 --> 00:53:22.548
pretty decent money.

00:53:22.588 --> 00:53:24.250
And so you have to assess that.

00:53:24.369 --> 00:53:26.532
Do I want to spend all this time

00:53:26.572 --> 00:53:28.733
in college and not end up making that

00:53:28.753 --> 00:53:30.893
much money because of your student loan

00:53:30.914 --> 00:53:31.873
debt?

00:53:34.036 --> 00:53:34.835
A lot of it boils down,

00:53:34.876 --> 00:53:39.077
especially for people my age.

00:53:39.237 --> 00:53:41.739
Is this going to work?

00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:44.101
Is this going to be a good investment?

00:53:45.460 --> 00:53:45.721
Yeah.

00:53:46.322 --> 00:53:46.461
Yeah,

00:53:46.501 --> 00:53:48.422
your generation is definitely asking the

00:53:48.463 --> 00:53:49.224
why question.

00:53:49.304 --> 00:53:51.206
And your generation isn't settling for

00:53:51.226 --> 00:53:52.967
because that's the way it has always been.

00:53:53.847 --> 00:53:55.108
And I applaud that.

00:53:55.289 --> 00:53:56.230
That's something that

00:53:58.889 --> 00:54:01.911
students want to know the why behind

00:54:02.092 --> 00:54:04.914
everything now and and that's okay like we

00:54:04.954 --> 00:54:07.615
should be answering that why you know so

00:54:07.996 --> 00:54:09.456
we have to be prepared to kind of

00:54:09.516 --> 00:54:12.300
give the the reasons why this is still

00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.521
a good career this is still worthy um

00:54:15.581 --> 00:54:18.123
profession to go into and um i know

00:54:18.143 --> 00:54:19.865
there's a lot of there's a lot of

00:54:20.606 --> 00:54:22.206
talk there's a lot of smack talk that

00:54:22.246 --> 00:54:24.628
happens about you know like especially you

00:54:24.648 --> 00:54:27.588
know the cost of dpt education it's like

00:54:27.608 --> 00:54:29.128
you said it can be insane somewhere it

00:54:29.168 --> 00:54:30.789
sounds like you're you're in a place that

00:54:30.829 --> 00:54:33.251
is very comfortable um i applaud you for

00:54:33.291 --> 00:54:34.690
applying for scholarships and getting

00:54:34.731 --> 00:54:37.793
those scholarships but we're not um we're

00:54:37.833 --> 00:54:39.472
not ignoring or abandoning the fact that

00:54:39.512 --> 00:54:42.675
there are some very expensive programs out

00:54:42.715 --> 00:54:45.235
there right you know and so becoming a

00:54:45.275 --> 00:54:45.695
pta

00:54:46.576 --> 00:54:48.199
can be very worthwhile on your money,

00:54:48.259 --> 00:54:48.518
right?

00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:48.840
You know,

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.503
like I only spent about twelve thousand

00:54:51.543 --> 00:54:54.889
dollars on my PTA education and the same

00:54:54.929 --> 00:54:55.570
college.

00:54:56.521 --> 00:54:57.742
Twenty some years later,

00:54:57.862 --> 00:54:59.782
it's only about seventeen, sixteen,

00:54:59.802 --> 00:55:00.682
seventeen thousand now.

00:55:00.722 --> 00:55:02.382
So that's only an increase of about four

00:55:02.443 --> 00:55:03.523
thousand dollars, right?

00:55:03.563 --> 00:55:03.643
Yes.

00:55:05.483 --> 00:55:06.463
Yeah, that's, you know,

00:55:06.483 --> 00:55:09.324
a pretty good deal for for an education

00:55:09.344 --> 00:55:10.364
where you're going to come out and you're

00:55:10.385 --> 00:55:12.545
going to make that kind of money way

00:55:13.045 --> 00:55:14.344
better, you know, pretty quickly.

00:55:14.405 --> 00:55:16.945
But scholarships, you know,

00:55:16.965 --> 00:55:17.646
you mentioned that.

00:55:17.706 --> 00:55:19.465
And I think that students are sometimes

00:55:19.545 --> 00:55:20.746
afraid to touch it.

00:55:21.206 --> 00:55:22.467
They're like, I don't know, like,

00:55:22.487 --> 00:55:24.067
what if I don't get it or whatever.

00:55:24.226 --> 00:55:25.806
You know, what if I'm not, you know,

00:55:25.847 --> 00:55:26.987
the kind of student they're looking for?

00:55:27.108 --> 00:55:30.467
Just apply to scholarships, find them,

00:55:30.708 --> 00:55:32.347
apply for them, do it.

00:55:32.568 --> 00:55:34.548
I send students scholarship information

00:55:34.588 --> 00:55:35.208
all the time.

00:55:36.248 --> 00:55:38.009
If you're in a PT or a PTA

00:55:38.068 --> 00:55:38.469
program,

00:55:38.789 --> 00:55:40.889
you most likely already meet the GPA

00:55:40.929 --> 00:55:42.510
requirement for that scholarship because

00:55:42.550 --> 00:55:43.710
we hold such high standards.

00:55:43.730 --> 00:55:45.070
So just apply.

00:55:45.670 --> 00:55:48.010
What's the worst you can do is not

00:55:48.070 --> 00:55:49.231
have any additional money.

00:55:49.251 --> 00:55:50.572
You're not going to lose money.

00:55:50.592 --> 00:55:51.572
Exactly, exactly.

00:55:52.762 --> 00:55:54.141
Just apply for the scholarship.

00:55:55.182 --> 00:55:57.242
And I went through my freshman year,

00:55:57.704 --> 00:55:59.304
like a trio program.

00:55:59.324 --> 00:56:00.583
So it's like for first generation

00:56:00.623 --> 00:56:01.005
students.

00:56:01.764 --> 00:56:02.744
And they said the same exact thing.

00:56:03.045 --> 00:56:04.726
It's like, just apply.

00:56:04.985 --> 00:56:07.465
Like you're going to spend maybe, uh,

00:56:07.485 --> 00:56:08.686
thirty minutes an hour filling out all

00:56:08.706 --> 00:56:10.666
these applications, but there's no real,

00:56:10.706 --> 00:56:11.867
like, uh,

00:56:11.987 --> 00:56:13.527
financial investment you're making to

00:56:13.547 --> 00:56:14.108
apply for these.

00:56:14.168 --> 00:56:17.028
Like, just, just spend the time and apply.

00:56:17.108 --> 00:56:17.409
You'll,

00:56:17.469 --> 00:56:18.710
you'll thank yourself later because I

00:56:18.730 --> 00:56:19.030
ended up

00:56:19.923 --> 00:56:20.925
I'm currently debt free.

00:56:21.204 --> 00:56:22.365
I didn't have to pay anything for my

00:56:22.427 --> 00:56:24.728
tuition for PTA or my undergrad.

00:56:25.769 --> 00:56:27.831
And I've then been able to save money

00:56:27.891 --> 00:56:30.353
to pay for my doctorate degree.

00:56:30.393 --> 00:56:31.896
So just apply.

00:56:32.827 --> 00:56:33.626
There's a pathway.

00:56:33.806 --> 00:56:35.208
You just got to be kind of willing

00:56:35.547 --> 00:56:36.967
to look around and see if you can

00:56:37.007 --> 00:56:37.829
find that pathway.

00:56:38.608 --> 00:56:40.748
Sometimes it takes a slightly different

00:56:40.768 --> 00:56:41.550
route for everybody,

00:56:41.590 --> 00:56:44.190
but don't discount yourself.

00:56:44.411 --> 00:56:44.971
Keep looking.

00:56:45.451 --> 00:56:47.110
We're going to play a game next.

00:56:47.291 --> 00:56:49.791
Let's do it.

00:56:49.811 --> 00:56:51.152
I want to play this game with you.

00:56:51.672 --> 00:56:53.753
I don't always play games with guests on

00:56:54.074 --> 00:56:54.393
the show,

00:56:54.434 --> 00:56:56.954
but I feel like it's appropriate.

00:56:56.974 --> 00:56:59.114
I think we'll have fun with this.

00:56:59.574 --> 00:57:00.635
It's called Keep It...

00:57:01.556 --> 00:57:03.976
cut it or cram and this would be

00:57:04.036 --> 00:57:05.536
for studying right you know so we're

00:57:05.876 --> 00:57:07.277
you've already given us like your eight

00:57:07.318 --> 00:57:09.737
hundred playbook right so um we're gonna

00:57:09.777 --> 00:57:11.978
think about some study behavior so i'm

00:57:12.018 --> 00:57:14.340
gonna i'm gonna give you a prompt and

00:57:14.380 --> 00:57:15.940
you're gonna tell me if they should keep

00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.820
it if they should pitch it and cut

00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.161
it or if they should absolutely cram for

00:57:20.202 --> 00:57:24.123
that okay okay okay okay sound good all

00:57:24.402 --> 00:57:26.342
right so the first one rereading the

00:57:26.362 --> 00:57:30.485
textbook cut it i mean well okay wait

00:57:30.565 --> 00:57:31.385
let's put some context onto it

00:57:31.690 --> 00:57:36.833
okay if you're really reading it just like

00:57:37.012 --> 00:57:38.695
oh i'm just bored i'm going to read

00:57:38.715 --> 00:57:41.036
through my vitamins or whatever i mean

00:57:41.255 --> 00:57:42.536
that's just a complete that's a complete

00:57:42.556 --> 00:57:44.137
waste of time don't do that if you're

00:57:44.157 --> 00:57:47.519
rereading it to look at a question you

00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:49.802
missed on the practice exam keep it

00:57:50.181 --> 00:57:54.023
absolutely keep it got it making beautiful

00:57:54.063 --> 00:57:54.945
colored notes

00:57:57.210 --> 00:57:58.530
Cut it.

00:57:58.570 --> 00:57:59.210
I mean, listen,

00:57:59.610 --> 00:58:00.871
I know a ton of people who do

00:58:00.891 --> 00:58:02.592
this and their notes look fantastic.

00:58:02.612 --> 00:58:03.992
You're going to get some hate mail now.

00:58:04.012 --> 00:58:05.574
I am, yeah.

00:58:06.253 --> 00:58:08.315
Because one of our GA,

00:58:09.715 --> 00:58:11.356
the second one we had for the summer,

00:58:11.876 --> 00:58:13.438
she had these beautiful notes and she's

00:58:13.478 --> 00:58:16.239
very smart.

00:58:16.378 --> 00:58:17.940
I can't spend all that time.

00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.081
I'm also not very artsy.

00:58:20.121 --> 00:58:21.922
So if I could do that and it

00:58:21.942 --> 00:58:23.762
was very efficient, I would.

00:58:24.922 --> 00:58:26.344
I would cut it because...

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.043
you can easily type out flashcards and

00:58:29.083 --> 00:58:30.286
spend time reviewing those.

00:58:31.208 --> 00:58:32.009
They're not as pretty.

00:58:32.329 --> 00:58:33.672
You can make flashcards online look

00:58:33.711 --> 00:58:36.177
pretty, but I would, I would cut that.

00:58:37.445 --> 00:58:37.706
Yeah.

00:58:38.146 --> 00:58:39.887
And also highlighting good grief.

00:58:39.907 --> 00:58:42.250
You should have seen my textbooks from PTA

00:58:42.289 --> 00:58:42.590
school.

00:58:43.251 --> 00:58:43.331
I,

00:58:43.570 --> 00:58:45.193
I don't know how much money I invested

00:58:45.233 --> 00:58:45.914
in highlighters,

00:58:45.954 --> 00:58:48.096
but it did not change anything.

00:58:49.817 --> 00:58:50.677
Like there were whole, like,

00:58:51.018 --> 00:58:52.159
I think there was like sometimes like

00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:53.181
pages that the whole thing was

00:58:53.221 --> 00:58:53.481
highlighted.

00:58:53.501 --> 00:58:53.701
I'm like,

00:58:53.740 --> 00:58:54.561
I just got to know all of it.

00:58:54.581 --> 00:58:55.081
I got to know all of it.

00:58:55.143 --> 00:58:59.447
If you're,

00:58:59.467 --> 00:59:00.327
if you're someone who's going through a

00:59:00.347 --> 00:59:00.768
textbook,

00:59:01.902 --> 00:59:02.963
Well,

00:59:02.983 --> 00:59:05.003
that's how we ended up going through

00:59:05.204 --> 00:59:05.503
school.

00:59:05.543 --> 00:59:06.284
You go through textbooks.

00:59:06.324 --> 00:59:07.623
But if you find something that you want

00:59:07.643 --> 00:59:10.905
to highlight, don't highlight it.

00:59:10.925 --> 00:59:13.405
Put it in a flashcard format because we

00:59:13.485 --> 00:59:15.326
need to bring that up later.

00:59:16.166 --> 00:59:17.365
And while you can reread it,

00:59:18.027 --> 00:59:19.527
what's better is if you form that into

00:59:19.547 --> 00:59:22.047
a question and then you find different

00:59:22.086 --> 00:59:26.148
ways you can build context around that

00:59:26.188 --> 00:59:27.929
question and do that instead.

00:59:28.248 --> 00:59:29.128
It doesn't look nearly as pretty.

00:59:29.769 --> 00:59:32.211
But it can help you a little bit

00:59:32.251 --> 00:59:32.472
better.

00:59:33.052 --> 00:59:34.534
I wish I had all these study tips

00:59:34.574 --> 00:59:35.514
when I was a student.

00:59:36.014 --> 00:59:37.916
So I think I know what your answer

00:59:37.936 --> 00:59:38.677
is going to be on this one,

00:59:38.697 --> 00:59:39.677
but active recall.

00:59:39.697 --> 00:59:40.038
Oh, keep it.

00:59:42.099 --> 00:59:42.380
Keep it.

00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:43.081
Absolutely.

00:59:43.101 --> 00:59:43.681
We got to keep it.

00:59:43.740 --> 00:59:44.822
We got to keep it.

00:59:44.842 --> 00:59:45.742
We've got to keep it.

00:59:46.103 --> 00:59:48.465
Studying your strongest subject because it

00:59:48.505 --> 00:59:49.126
feels good.

00:59:49.965 --> 00:59:52.047
Oh, I mean,

00:59:52.088 --> 00:59:53.708
if you need to pick me up,

00:59:53.789 --> 00:59:55.050
if you're going through cardiopalm and

00:59:55.070 --> 00:59:55.431
you're like, man,

00:59:55.451 --> 00:59:56.711
I just got to look at some muscles,

00:59:58.012 --> 00:59:59.054
I can definitely understand.

00:59:59.134 --> 00:59:59.393
But

01:00:00.588 --> 01:00:01.911
No, I'm going to say, wait,

01:00:01.931 --> 01:00:02.590
so what is cram it?

01:00:03.291 --> 01:00:04.733
Redefine cram it for me as the third

01:00:04.773 --> 01:00:04.974
option.

01:00:05.273 --> 01:00:06.896
So cram it would be useful,

01:00:06.916 --> 01:00:08.177
but only strategically.

01:00:08.398 --> 01:00:08.557
Okay.

01:00:08.577 --> 01:00:11.021
I'm going to say cram it because it

01:00:11.221 --> 01:00:11.961
can be strategic.

01:00:12.463 --> 01:00:12.543
Okay.

01:00:12.563 --> 01:00:14.684
If you're in that last bout of studying

01:00:14.826 --> 01:00:15.186
and again,

01:00:15.206 --> 01:00:19.030
you're down to the weeds on COPD.

01:00:21.297 --> 01:00:23.938
So that's when you whip out the OIA

01:00:23.958 --> 01:00:27.019
and flashcards and just kind of refresh.

01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:28.880
I used to give myself a treat.

01:00:29.181 --> 01:00:32.063
Like if I met my study goals,

01:00:32.103 --> 01:00:32.844
I would be like, okay,

01:00:32.923 --> 01:00:34.144
now I get a cappuccino.

01:00:34.304 --> 01:00:34.945
Or I'd be like,

01:00:35.005 --> 01:00:36.465
now I get to watch a TV show.

01:00:36.485 --> 01:00:38.146
Like I would always give myself like a

01:00:38.246 --> 01:00:41.048
treat afterwards that felt kind of like

01:00:41.309 --> 01:00:42.570
relaxing to my brain.

01:00:43.451 --> 01:00:44.170
So, you know,

01:00:44.670 --> 01:00:46.271
allow yourself treats from time to time.

01:00:46.672 --> 01:00:47.552
I'm going to say keep that.

01:00:47.693 --> 01:00:48.454
Allow treats.

01:00:48.514 --> 01:00:48.753
Yeah.

01:00:48.994 --> 01:00:51.576
yeah um all right what's that oh no

01:00:51.596 --> 01:00:52.657
i was saying i used to have like

01:00:52.677 --> 01:00:56.119
the mentality of like the worker and then

01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.181
the boss version of me like the worker

01:00:59.461 --> 01:01:01.123
has got to do this stuff and study

01:01:01.864 --> 01:01:03.025
but then the boss needs to allow the

01:01:03.045 --> 01:01:06.527
workers some time to go go to starbucks

01:01:06.568 --> 01:01:09.730
we have here in uh arkansas shadracks some

01:01:09.750 --> 01:01:12.431
shatties so you got to allow yourself a

01:01:12.492 --> 01:01:14.414
reward for sure allow yourself those

01:01:14.454 --> 01:01:17.896
rewards okay studying late into the night

01:01:17.936 --> 01:01:18.657
before an exam

01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.260
Uh, can be a Kramat can be strategic.

01:01:25.581 --> 01:01:26.362
If you've,

01:01:26.722 --> 01:01:28.043
if we talked about the slow burn,

01:01:28.083 --> 01:01:29.103
if you're spending time,

01:01:29.784 --> 01:01:31.144
if this is your first time looking at

01:01:31.164 --> 01:01:32.925
the material the entire week,

01:01:32.945 --> 01:01:34.666
I'm going to say you're better off just

01:01:34.686 --> 01:01:36.547
getting a good night's sleep because we

01:01:36.588 --> 01:01:37.849
know that, uh,

01:01:37.869 --> 01:01:39.369
our REM phases of sleep are where learning

01:01:39.409 --> 01:01:40.090
actually occurs.

01:01:40.751 --> 01:01:42.170
When you're looking at the material,

01:01:42.210 --> 01:01:43.913
the learning is not, you're absorbing,

01:01:43.932 --> 01:01:45.793
you're getting that first layer of,

01:01:46.233 --> 01:01:46.793
of the learning,

01:01:47.114 --> 01:01:49.775
but you're not committing it to the

01:01:49.795 --> 01:01:51.056
hippocampus, the longterm memory.

01:01:51.077 --> 01:01:51.177
So,

01:01:53.802 --> 01:01:53.882
Yeah.

01:01:53.922 --> 01:01:54.583
Not too helpful.

01:01:54.764 --> 01:01:54.943
Yeah.

01:01:55.583 --> 01:01:56.985
I always tell students, I'm like,

01:01:57.965 --> 01:01:59.688
try not to study the day before your,

01:01:59.867 --> 01:02:00.708
your NPTE.

01:02:01.188 --> 01:02:02.110
Like you should be done.

01:02:02.369 --> 01:02:05.172
You should be done studying like that day.

01:02:05.251 --> 01:02:07.494
You should do something that's beautiful

01:02:07.574 --> 01:02:09.456
and helpful to your soul and kind to

01:02:09.476 --> 01:02:11.297
yourself and restful.

01:02:11.416 --> 01:02:13.239
And please don't study the day before

01:02:13.278 --> 01:02:14.099
your, your NPTE.

01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:14.460
No,

01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.182
the day before I was looking at some,

01:02:18.282 --> 01:02:19.864
I was staying with some friends and we

01:02:19.903 --> 01:02:21.846
were like jokingly looking through things,

01:02:21.865 --> 01:02:22.306
but we were,

01:02:22.900 --> 01:02:24.643
running we were just chilling out it was

01:02:24.663 --> 01:02:28.925
good good yeah yeah just do do the

01:02:28.945 --> 01:02:31.068
slow burn you're you're getting it from

01:02:31.307 --> 01:02:33.190
from dillinger right now like get the slow

01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:35.132
burn going and then you won't have to

01:02:35.172 --> 01:02:37.474
cram that won't even be a word on

01:02:37.514 --> 01:02:39.155
your your radar you won't have to do

01:02:39.215 --> 01:02:41.117
any of that stuff exactly

01:02:41.768 --> 01:02:42.009
Okay,

01:02:42.048 --> 01:02:43.349
so I'm going to have you close us

01:02:43.429 --> 01:02:44.371
out with our plus point.

01:02:44.391 --> 01:02:45.751
So this is a tradition that I do

01:02:45.791 --> 01:02:46.472
on every show.

01:02:46.833 --> 01:02:48.715
Every guest has the opportunity to give me

01:02:48.755 --> 01:02:49.474
their plus point.

01:02:49.494 --> 01:02:51.177
And this is like an opportunity for you

01:02:51.197 --> 01:02:51.336
to,

01:02:51.717 --> 01:02:53.538
you can stand on your soapbox and preach

01:02:53.557 --> 01:02:55.199
to the world on whatever topic you want

01:02:55.219 --> 01:02:55.440
to.

01:02:55.780 --> 01:02:57.021
Typically it's about physical therapy,

01:02:57.041 --> 01:03:00.384
but you can start a fire under somebody.

01:03:00.443 --> 01:03:01.784
This is your moment.

01:03:01.804 --> 01:03:02.925
So what would you like to say to

01:03:02.945 --> 01:03:07.469
the audience?

01:03:07.530 --> 01:03:08.349
I would like to say,

01:03:08.369 --> 01:03:10.351
I won't be super, I won't throw any,

01:03:11.893 --> 01:03:13.574
shots out there or anything or start any

01:03:13.594 --> 01:03:13.954
fires,

01:03:14.016 --> 01:03:18.759
but I will say always strive to better

01:03:18.798 --> 01:03:19.239
yourself.

01:03:19.259 --> 01:03:19.780
You know,

01:03:19.940 --> 01:03:22.021
not only if you're thinking about being a

01:03:22.061 --> 01:03:24.302
student again and going back or you're

01:03:24.322 --> 01:03:25.784
just going to be a clinician.

01:03:26.923 --> 01:03:28.445
I think one way you can prevent,

01:03:28.565 --> 01:03:29.485
if you're thinking about the long run,

01:03:29.606 --> 01:03:33.849
you can prevent burnout is through

01:03:33.929 --> 01:03:34.329
learning.

01:03:34.389 --> 01:03:37.251
And that sounds super boring and maybe

01:03:37.371 --> 01:03:40.653
even like midwit in a way, but like,

01:03:41.271 --> 01:03:43.072
my in my instance when i first started

01:03:43.851 --> 01:03:45.333
i had no idea what the heck to

01:03:45.353 --> 01:03:46.873
do it was all new but the more

01:03:46.954 --> 01:03:49.014
i learned the more i got comfortable the

01:03:49.114 --> 01:03:51.476
easier it was to treat patients you'll

01:03:51.516 --> 01:03:53.856
always have the the cruddy part that i

01:03:53.876 --> 01:03:55.478
would say like the work part of being

01:03:55.538 --> 01:03:56.639
a physical therapist which is your

01:03:56.659 --> 01:04:00.659
documentation fighting insurance and all

01:04:00.681 --> 01:04:02.961
that stuff that will always be there but

01:04:02.981 --> 01:04:04.422
if you can get really good at the

01:04:04.521 --> 01:04:07.143
physical therapy part of it the hard part

01:04:07.164 --> 01:04:07.684
becomes

01:04:08.648 --> 01:04:11.610
this documentation crud and authorizations

01:04:11.630 --> 01:04:13.932
and all this stuff so my biggest thing

01:04:14.512 --> 01:04:19.016
is to continue learning and and make

01:04:19.036 --> 01:04:21.077
yourself a well-rounded therapist you know

01:04:21.097 --> 01:04:22.778
make the physical therapy side easy so you

01:04:22.798 --> 01:04:25.581
can battle this reimbursement crap and all

01:04:25.601 --> 01:04:26.981
that all that other good jazz

01:04:28.512 --> 01:04:28.972
I love it.

01:04:29.052 --> 01:04:29.713
I'm telling you why.

01:04:29.793 --> 01:04:30.014
I mean,

01:04:30.054 --> 01:04:31.295
you've hit on all the things that I

01:04:31.335 --> 01:04:33.135
love to preach about on this show.

01:04:33.195 --> 01:04:34.775
And yeah, I mean,

01:04:35.376 --> 01:04:38.737
combat burnout by continuously making

01:04:38.777 --> 01:04:39.518
yourself better.

01:04:39.878 --> 01:04:41.780
That's something that I kind of preach

01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:43.581
from the mountaintops here on the show is

01:04:43.621 --> 01:04:47.043
that if you're feeling unhappy in your job

01:04:47.262 --> 01:04:49.603
and you don't feel like you have any

01:04:50.143 --> 01:04:51.744
choice or any way to make changes or

01:04:51.764 --> 01:04:54.766
any autonomous decisions,

01:04:55.347 --> 01:04:56.327
that's going to affect you.

01:04:56.367 --> 01:04:58.188
But the more you know,

01:04:58.349 --> 01:04:59.949
the more you learn,

01:05:00.070 --> 01:05:02.172
the more you connect yourself,

01:05:02.731 --> 01:05:04.092
that can be through your professional

01:05:04.313 --> 01:05:04.853
organization,

01:05:04.873 --> 01:05:06.735
that can be through different continuing

01:05:06.795 --> 01:05:08.416
education, different skills,

01:05:08.797 --> 01:05:10.878
it can be a various amount of things.

01:05:11.298 --> 01:05:13.219
But the more you continue to challenge

01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.641
yourself, it will return.

01:05:16.666 --> 01:05:19.228
some sort of satisfaction in some way.

01:05:19.248 --> 01:05:21.628
So like you keep investing and you'll find

01:05:21.668 --> 01:05:22.547
that satisfaction.

01:05:22.588 --> 01:05:24.289
So I love that you brought that up.

01:05:24.849 --> 01:05:26.548
Thank you so much for your time.

01:05:26.688 --> 01:05:27.009
I mean,

01:05:27.190 --> 01:05:29.369
you've given us so many wise words.

01:05:29.389 --> 01:05:32.451
I am so excited to see where your

01:05:32.490 --> 01:05:34.331
future leads because yeah,

01:05:34.351 --> 01:05:35.351
you might be treating,

01:05:35.411 --> 01:05:36.871
but I have a feeling there's going to

01:05:36.891 --> 01:05:38.652
be people wanting to recruit you all over

01:05:38.692 --> 01:05:40.733
the United States to come and teach in

01:05:40.753 --> 01:05:42.373
their program eventually at some point

01:05:42.393 --> 01:05:44.853
when you're ready or you could do whatever

01:05:44.893 --> 01:05:45.353
you want to do.

01:05:46.454 --> 01:05:49.277
So I'm excited that the world is your

01:05:49.356 --> 01:05:49.737
oyster.

01:05:49.818 --> 01:05:51.338
I'm excited to see where you go next,

01:05:51.358 --> 01:05:51.699
Dillinger.

01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:52.159
Yes, ma'am.

01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.141
I appreciate it.

01:05:54.161 --> 01:05:54.443
Yeah.

01:05:54.463 --> 01:05:57.125
Good luck with the remaining of PT school.

01:05:57.465 --> 01:05:59.628
I'm sure you could probably give us an

01:05:59.708 --> 01:06:00.568
update, right?

01:06:00.688 --> 01:06:01.769
Like I would love to.

01:06:01.789 --> 01:06:02.130
I would love to.

01:06:02.791 --> 01:06:03.791
You can hop on and give us an

01:06:03.833 --> 01:06:05.193
update and we can talk about something

01:06:05.213 --> 01:06:05.333
else.

01:06:05.353 --> 01:06:06.494
Yes, ma'am.

01:06:06.534 --> 01:06:07.016
Of course.

01:06:07.036 --> 01:06:08.056
Sounds great.

01:06:08.307 --> 01:06:09.469
All right, before we go,

01:06:09.628 --> 01:06:11.929
I have to give a quick partnership

01:06:12.010 --> 01:06:13.791
spotlight for PTA+.

01:06:14.112 --> 01:06:16.052
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01:06:16.092 --> 01:06:17.534
for where rehab is headed,

01:06:17.634 --> 01:06:18.795
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01:06:19.155 --> 01:06:20.295
take a look at Spry.

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01:06:23.277 --> 01:06:25.278
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improve productivity,

01:06:28.521 --> 01:06:30.103
and reduce administrative burden.

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and creates a better experience for both

01:06:32.184 --> 01:06:33.606
the clinicians and the patients.

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You can learn more about Spry through my

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01:06:39.434 --> 01:06:41.197
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01:06:41.737 --> 01:06:44.181
And thank you again for listening to PTA+.

01:06:44.242 --> 01:06:46.003
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01:06:49.329 --> 01:06:51.411
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